KingCherry said:
In the US, as a percentage of the population, a black person is 200 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa... |
Where's your proof of that?
KingCherry said:
In the US, as a percentage of the population, a black person is 200 times more likely to attack a white person than vice versa... |
Where's your proof of that?
palou said:
Your debtclock is nonesense, Germany has paid off further debt (made a budget surplus) in the last 3 years (one of the few countries to do so.) You also have to take inflation in account; a debt that stays the same is becoming easier and easier to pay, over the years, because that money represents less and less of what you earn. This number is going down quite dramatically, from both a growing GDP and the fairly unique situation of Germany actually paying back their debts, slowly: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/germany/government-debt-to-gdp (It's now at around 69%)
The German government's fiscal situation is considered so ridiculously safe that it now the interest rate is negative if you loan money for 5 years: https://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/germany Germany would actually be making money on any new debt they take.
The US, in comparision: https://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates-bonds/government-bonds/us
Also, irregardles of what you believe or what is the case for you personaly, Germany exports an absolutely ridiculous ammount, in comparision to GDP, more than half of what China exports, despite having a total economy a sixth of the size. The European Union exports more than anyone else (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports). Here's a list of countries by exports per capita. You will notice that Europe is doing quite decently there, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports_per_capita |
What do you mean 'my' debt clock its a compilation of figures supplied by actual governments and based on true figures. I have no connection with the site and seems pretty much inline with other sites anyway. It's not about what I believe. Also negative interests rates is a way of reducing costs with the effect of lowering the value of the currency and being deflationary but obviously banks who bought such government bonds struggle to get rid of them and less banks are interested in investing in such bonds in the future.
Exports can take many forms I was really talking about consumer goods in general and manufactured goods. I already stated there was a feel good factor and German exports have increased thanks to the value of the euro but there is also a general reduction of manufacturing capacity in Europe, not so much at the higher end though. How practical will it be to keep European car plants open when China finally gets their shit together with regard cars. They have decimated most other manufacturing industries.
Can you honestly see many of the countries that share the euro currency paying off their debt, there will be many more bailouts required in the future for the simple reason that negative interest rates means no more loans to prop up such countries so likely more government to government bailouts required.
The german birthrate is also wierdly low and immigration is falsely skewing that figure higher than the native population's true figure who tend to have much lower birthrates. This has more long term effects rather than short term though.
Not trying to be negative but there is a long term trend of power moving away from the US and Europe to Asia. Don't read too much into per capita figures because they can give a false impression based on the huge number of Chinese people who don't contribute to exports. It's more about final figures.

bonzobanana said:
What do you mean 'my' debt clock its a compilation of figures supplied by actual governments and based on true figures. I have no connection with the site and seems pretty much inline with other sites anyway. It's not about what I believe. Also negative interests rates is a way of reducing costs with the effect of lowering the value of the currency and being deflationary but obviously banks who bought such government bonds struggle to get rid of them and less banks are interested in investing in such bonds in the future. Exports can take many forms I was really talking about consumer goods in general and manufactured goods. I already stated there was a feel good factor and German exports have increased thanks to the value of the euro but there is also a general reduction of manufacturing capacity in Europe, not so much at the higher end though. How practical will it be to keep European car plants open when China finally gets their shit together with regard cars. They have decimated most other manufacturing industries. Can you honestly see many of the countries that share the euro currency paying off their debt, there will be many more bailouts required in the future for the simple reason that negative interest rates means no more loans to prop up such countries so likely more government to government bailouts required. The german birthrate is also wierdly low and immigration is falsely skewing that figure higher than the native population's true figure who tend to have much lower birthrates. This has more long term effects rather than short term though. Not trying to be negative but there is a long term trend of power moving away from the US and Europe to Asia. Don't read too much into per capita figures because they can give a false impression based on the huge number of Chinese people who don't contribute to exports. It's more about final figures.
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Government bond interest rates are not decided by the government. I think you are confusing it with the federal funds rate.
The bond interest rate is the lowest amount of interest for which the Government can loan the money it needs. A negative interest rate shows an extremely high confidence of investors that the German government is capable of repaying its loans.
Here is data concerning the German government budget: http://www.tradingeconomics.com/germany/government-budget
A blue number means that the government is NOT taking new debts.
The US, for example, is taking new debt (which can be sustainable, as long as income grows at a faster rate than the debt. It's a bit high, currently) http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/government-budget
If you actually read the info on the debt clock, http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/germany, you would notice that it does not represent government debt, but rather a hypothetical government debt if germany would be pushing its own regulations to the maximum. The Maastricht treaty is a guideline that sets a limit to the amount of debt that the government is allowed to take each year.
For the last few years, Germany has chosen to repay debt instead of taking new sums. Which is reflected by the fact that Germany currently has a public debt to GDP ratio bellow 70%, while your website is reporting 78%. http://www.tradingeconomics.com/germany/government-debt-to-gdp
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Right. So those immigrant ghettos in parts of Western Europe don't exist? And is it not true that immigrants use the majority of welfare, have high unemployement, and are a drain in certain countries? Why do people keep insisting that Europe needs immigration? Europe was a great society for 100s of years without immigration, but now they NEED it? Merkel said it herself that multiculturalism was a failure. Also, you know the demographic consequences as well. Europeans are almost a minority in London, Brussles, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and soon many others.
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| barneystinson69 said: Right. So those immigrant ghettos in parts of Western Europe don't exist? And is it not true that immigrants use the majority of welfare, have high unemployement, and are a drain in certain countries? Why do people keep insisting that Europe needs immigration? Europe was a great society for 100s of years without immigration, but now they NEED it? Merkel said it herself that multiculturalism was a failure. Also, you know the demographic consequences as well. Europeans are almost a minority in London, Brussles, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and soon many others. |
1. Of course there's going to be immigrant ghettos, when you're poor you're forced into moving to a cheaper, more dangerous place.
2. If you do the research, you'll see that most immigrants who are on welfare would have already had to have worked and paid into social security:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10391238/Benefits-in-Europe-country-by-country.html
3. Migration has occurred throughout all of human history, including Europe. It's not just some new idea in the last few years. Also, you think Europe was much better centuries ago than it is now? I'm sure that you'd love living in a society rid with disease, poverty and constant war.
4. And why should we care if Europeans are a demographic minority in those cities? Native Americans are minorities in much of the Americas, are you going to complain abut that too?
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I'd feel bad for anyone that lived in Minn to ride a bike year round to work. Must be pretty damn freezing in winter time. Good luck riding a bike in the snow.
| VGPolyglot said: 4. And why should we care if Europeans are a demographic minority in those cities? Native Americans are minorities in much of the Americas, are you going to complain abut that too? |
Well that would imply a scenario where the Moors took over Europe and slaughtered all the Europeans.
VGPolyglot said:
1. Of course there's going to be immigrant ghettos, when you're poor you're forced into moving to a cheaper, more dangerous place. 2. If you do the research, you'll see that most immigrants who are on welfare would have already had to have worked and paid into social security: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/10391238/Benefits-in-Europe-country-by-country.html 3. Migration has occurred throughout all of human history, including Europe. It's not just some new idea in the last few years. Also, you think Europe was much better centuries ago than it is now? I'm sure that you'd love living in a society rid with disease, poverty and constant war. 4. And why should we care if Europeans are a demographic minority in those cities? Native Americans are minorities in much of the Americas, are you going to complain abut that too? |
1. Right, and when those areas start refusing to integrate, and the area starts becoming seperated from the whole of European society, is that Europe's fault? http://nypost.com/2016/03/22/muslim-ghettos-in-europe-are-hotbeds-for-terror/
2. You'll be surprised how much immigration costs Europe: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-ugly-immigration-problem/article26338254/
3. Of course it has, but large scale immigration is only a recent thing. You never saw millions of ME enter Europe, unless it was for conquest (balkans, Iberian).
4. So Europeans slowly going to extinction in their homeland of thousands of years is ok with you? Thats nice...
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barneystinson69 said:
1. Right, and when those areas start refusing to integrate, and the area starts becoming seperated from the whole of European society, is that Europe's fault? http://nypost.com/2016/03/22/muslim-ghettos-in-europe-are-hotbeds-for-terror/ 2. You'll be surprised how much immigration costs Europe: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-ugly-immigration-problem/article26338254/ 3. Of course it has, but large scale immigration is only a recent thing. You never saw millions of ME enter Europe, unless it was for conquest (balkans, Iberian). 4. So Europeans slowly going to extinction in their homeland of thousands of years is ok with you? Thats nice... |
1. Maybe they're refusing to integrate because people are refusing to help them integrate? Especially when most refugees are not allowed to work, how are they supposed to integrate when they can't do that?
2. The number that is stated if $4 billion, which is less than their military expidentures (important to not: Sweden are a neutral country):
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/se-budget.htm
3. Do you realize that Christianity, the largest religion of Europe, originated in the Middle East? That alone shows the huge influence that immigration has had.
4. They're not going extinct. Last time I checked Europeans were still there. Even if they did, it would be as a result of interracial breeding, which I don't see as a problem, because who cares what colour a person is, he's still a human.
| barneystinson69 said: Right. So those immigrant ghettos in parts of Western Europe don't exist? And is it not true that immigrants use the majority of welfare, have high unemployement, and are a drain in certain countries? Why do people keep insisting that Europe needs immigration? Europe was a great society for 100s of years without immigration, but now they NEED it? Merkel said it herself that multiculturalism was a failure. Also, you know the demographic consequences as well. Europeans are almost a minority in London, Brussles, Amsterdam, Rotterdam, and soon many others. |
Immigration in general is most definately something that Germany needs. They had a birth rate of less then 1.5 since 1975 (currrently at 1.36. Take note that this includes immigrants, who have a much higher birthrate, in average.) That's not sustainable.
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