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thismeintiel on 23 March 2017
Torillian said:
thismeintiel said:

Probably because he read this report from the Washington Post?  Poor white kids are less likely to go to prison than rich black kids.  I guess the WP is just a bunch of racists, though.  Of course, they say it is because of discrimination, while one could say it's because they commit more crimes.  I'd have to go back and rewatch the whole context of them "entering the gene pool" (not tainting it.)

Here's a question, do you plan on getting ME:A?

As you said, the article said nothing about the crime rate, only incarceration rate.  To take that as "look black people are just more inclined towards crime" is pretty much the definition of a racist opinion.  

Nope.  And I'm not arguing that people should boycot things made by shitty people, but I disagree with the idea that people are just calling Jontron racist because he said things they disagree with.  No, I'm calling him racist because he said some racist shit.  

As much as people wish to push the narrative, there aren't a lot of people being incarcerated that aren't commiting crimes.  Nor are poor, white people (or poor people, in general) going to have a get out of jail free card.  Definitely not more than any child of well off parents.  There really is only one reason I can think of.  Do I think it's just because they are black?  No, of course not.  There's something else going on within the black community that is leading to it, quite possibly the degredation of the black family unit over the past few decades.  But, the stats are still the stats.

And the reason I bring up ME:A is because I want to see your view on things.  Do you think Manveer Heir, dev on the game, is a racist?



 

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SolidSnack on 23 March 2017
Aura7541 said:
FloatingWaffles said:

I was in the middle of editing my original post before you responded. But it is people like SJW's that have a problem with Jontron having a different view that they deem as 'racist' (Because anyone with a different opinion is called a racist or nazi nowadays by those people) so Playtonic removed him from the game due to fear of SJW backlash.

Sure, as a business they have every right to decide what happens in their own game and if they feel like keeping JonTron in it was going to lose them some sales then they have every right to remove him if they want. But they gave into the whole SJW "Jontron is nazi because of his view on something" narrative that these people are trying to push in doing so out of fear of that backlash. Instead of thinking for themselves that "You know, maybe JonTron isn't actually a nazi or racist like they're trying to say and just had a different view on something" they just immediately fucking gave in to the SJW agenda that they want people to think. 

It also didn't help that JonTron went into the debate with Destiny badly unprepared with absolutely no experience in debating. I was surprised that he immediately agreed to instantly go into the debate instead of taking the time to organize his opinions and points. When put into a spot live without preparation, you're going to screw up countless times, hence why a lot of the stuff he said comes off as 'racist'.

sure, but if youre unprepared, how would you approach or answer questions you werent prepared for? Generally, you fall back to things you think about and understand personally



Goatseye on 23 March 2017
Aura7541 said:
FloatingWaffles said:

I was in the middle of editing my original post before you responded. But it is people like SJW's that have a problem with Jontron having a different view that they deem as 'racist' (Because anyone with a different opinion is called a racist or nazi nowadays by those people) so Playtonic removed him from the game due to fear of SJW backlash.

Sure, as a business they have every right to decide what happens in their own game and if they feel like keeping JonTron in it was going to lose them some sales then they have every right to remove him if they want. But they gave into the whole SJW "Jontron is nazi because of his view on something" narrative that these people are trying to push in doing so out of fear of that backlash. Instead of thinking for themselves that "You know, maybe JonTron isn't actually a nazi or racist like they're trying to say and just had a different view on something" they just immediately fucking gave in to the SJW agenda that they want people to think. 

It also didn't help that JonTron went into the debate with Destiny badly unprepared with absolutely no experience in debating. I was surprised that he immediately agreed to instantly go into the debate instead of taking the time to organize his opinions and points. When put into a spot live without preparation, you're going to screw up countless times, hence why a lot of the stuff he said comes off as 'racist'.

Maybe, his "racist" views can't be masked with bs "facts" that hours or days of preparation would've ensued.

There's no way he could've come up with a logical argument as to why poor white kids are less likely to commit a crime than rich black kids.



thismeintiel on 23 March 2017
Aura7541 said:
FloatingWaffles said:

I was in the middle of editing my original post before you responded. But it is people like SJW's that have a problem with Jontron having a different view that they deem as 'racist' (Because anyone with a different opinion is called a racist or nazi nowadays by those people) so Playtonic removed him from the game due to fear of SJW backlash.

Sure, as a business they have every right to decide what happens in their own game and if they feel like keeping JonTron in it was going to lose them some sales then they have every right to remove him if they want. But they gave into the whole SJW "Jontron is nazi because of his view on something" narrative that these people are trying to push in doing so out of fear of that backlash. Instead of thinking for themselves that "You know, maybe JonTron isn't actually a nazi or racist like they're trying to say and just had a different view on something" they just immediately fucking gave in to the SJW agenda that they want people to think. 

It also didn't help that JonTron went into the debate with Destiny badly unprepared with absolutely no experience in debating. I was surprised that he immediately agreed to instantly go into the debate instead of taking the time to organize his opinions and points. When put into a spot live without preparation, you're going to screw up countless times, hence why a lot of the stuff he said comes off as 'racist'.

Yea, I agree with this.  He definitely didn't phrase things the best way and admits to it in his follow up vid on the subject.  Of course, I'm sure quite a few were quick to either dismiss that vid or not watch it at all.



 

EricFabian on 24 March 2017
FloatingWaffles said:
VGPolyglot said:

We're deeming him racist because he is racist. End of story.

Great argument there. "He's racist because he just is!". 

Seems like the attitude Playtonic probably would have had when making this decision if they only listened to comments like yours. 

"Someone said he's racist? Well instead of looking into it ourselves, let's just immediately agree with it and further those people's agendas because we might lose sales!1!$#!'. 

He is racist. He said what he wants. Racists things. The End



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nuckles87 on 24 March 2017
Lawlight said:
nuckles87 said:
Free speech does not mean speech without consequences, and they are well within their right to change their game as they see fit. I do hope everyone who protests censorship in games understands that. This isn't censorship, it's a change being made by a developer that no longer wishes to have Jontron contributing to their game.

That being said, while I personally plan to avoid Jontron's videos in the future, his voice being in a game I backed didn't bother me in the slightest. But hey, it's their game, and it won't be affecting my experience in any meaningful way, so...eh.

Actually, that's what it means - free from consequences , including societal consequences.

Not at all. Societal consequence, i.e. Society criticizing a person, or a company distancing themselves from that person due to their speech, is a critical part of free speech. So I don't really see how anyone can say what Playtonic is doing here is all that bad, let alone boycott worthy. But hey, boycotts are also a part of free speech (and a societal consequence of free speech) so I get why people who don't support Playtonic will do it. I just hope they don't love 3D platformers, because if the PC toy box is any indication it's gonna be GREAT.

By removing Jontron's voice, they are not doing anything to impede Jontron's free speech. He is not being arrested or silenced. He can still say what he's been saying. And Playtonic is equally as free to disassociate themselves with a man who's political views they find unsavory. Free speech entitles Jontron to say whatever he wants, but it doesn't entitle him to a platform, a job, or to have his voice in a video game.

And of course, Playtonic isn't even an American company, so the American version of free speech doesn't even apply to them anyway. 

edit: and hey, apparently my first post led to a ban over thread derailment...my intention was to address the topic so I do hope this post was okay.



Panama on 24 March 2017

O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave :'^)



Azuren on 24 March 2017
Bandorr said:
Azuren said:
Glad to know I won't be purchasing Yooka-Laylee.

People get so upset at the idea that someone has a different point of view than them, and blindly insist it's racist just because they don't like it and they person in question happens to be white. Like somehow his argument becomes more valid of he's Mexican saying these things.

Which actually is a racist sentiment.


Back to the point of the game, though: I went from being disinterested, too very interested, too vehemently boycotting this game over the course of a single image outlining JonTron's removal.

"Not too interested in it, Banjo wasn't really my thing for all the praise it gets."
"Wait, JonTron is in it? Wow, his voice is perfect for this, as is his personality. I might pick this up."
"Oh, they removed him for politically correct social justice warrior BULLSHIT. Will not be buying."

So Jontron has the free speech to say some fairly disgusting stuff.

Yet Platonic doesn't also have the same right to get rid of him?

That isn't how things work at all. Person A is allowed to say whatever he wants. Person(or Company B) is allowed to respond to it.

Freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences. People (and companies) are allowed to do and say whatever they want (with in the law of course).

Right. Which is why I won't buy it now. 

 

Oh shit, is that how it works? 



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Kerotan on 24 March 2017

The funny thing though is platonic probably only removed him because they new their game would get good free publicity. Not out of good morals. if there for some weird reason was going to be a negative effect by removing him they wouldn't.



AlfredoTurkey on 24 March 2017

Maybe it'll teach these guys to use real voice actors/actresses next time instead of "youtubers".