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The bigger handhelds always sell better. You don't see the New 3DS outselling the NEW 3DS XL...




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Wyrdness said:

You replied to me so unless you state otherwise you're assuming his stance when replying I don't care what discussion you had with someone else as that's nothing to do with me and only between the two of you.

I said the statement comes across as being a bit contradictory and gave a reason why as the two devices are near enough the same size (image above) to the point that even adding the JCs isn't much of a change in size if anything I find it more odd with you trying to spin some kind of agenda out of people responding to the statement.

I've told you straight if he clarfied his preference is in regards to solely using it with the JCs attached then that's fine clarification can do quite a bit to explain context, choice of words doesn't override the basic point that people are responding to which is about size that argument is null and void here and the responses to him are just as tame which is why I question why you have a problem with people responding him to begin with.

My core point doesn't rely on an assumption though. As i just said, his preference may very well be contradictory. I don't know, which is precisely the point. I have to assume there is one, which by extension means there isn't inherently one within the current OT. The absence of information isn't inherently contradictory, and in the absence of an assumption it's just an unspecified personal opinion.

I only mentioned my conversation with goodnightmoon because you said something that ran counter to something i had said to you. That conversation with him happened to add additional context, so i mentioned it in the hope it'd help clear your confusion on that point.

Once again, there is more than one variable to size. Clarification would specify which variable he was talking about, but that doesn't change the fact that none of those variables are inherently contradictory. I listed the biggest three in my previous comment, and even your assumed contradiction don't nullify all of them.

I've not said anything about your intentions or "agenda", i just found it odd. If i thought i knew why you'd done it, then it wouldn't be odd :p

I'm not sure where you're getting this idea i don't like people responding. I also responded to the thread. My replies to others have been aimed at the logic behind some of those replies, not the act or tone of them. The ones i chose were the most recent.



Alkibiádēs said:

The bigger handhelds always sell better. You don't see the New 3DS outselling the NEW 3DS XL...


Poor PSPGo :(



Zekkyou said:

My core point doesn't rely on an assumption though. As i just said, his preference may very well be contradictory. I don't know, which is precisely the point. I have to assume there is one, which by extension means there isn't inherently one within the current OT. The absence of information isn't inherently contradictory, and in the absence of an assumption it's just an unspecified personal opinion.

I only mentioned my conversation with goodnightmoon because you said something that ran counter to something i had said to you. That conversation with him happened to add additional context, so i mentioned it in the hope it'd help clear your confusion on that point.

Once again, there is more than one variable to size. Clarification would specify which variable he was talking about, but that doesn't change the fact that none of those variables are inherently contradictory. I listed the biggest three in my previous comment, and even your assumed contradiction don't nullify all of them.

I've not said anything about your intentions or "agenda", i just found it odd. If i thought i knew why you'd done it, then it wouldn't be odd :p

I'm not sure where you're getting this idea i don't like people responding. I also responded to the thread. My replies to others have been aimed at the logic behind some of those replies, not the act or tone of them. The ones i chose were the most recent.

If some variables mean the is a contradiction then the should be some clarification otherwise you have to accept the responses that come your way when you make statements of any sort, absence of information can be a contradiction despite what you're trying to push, your argument is based on the belief that something has to be in your hand to be a handheld something that doesn't right true with me as I've highlighted that it's portable mode renders it a handheld regardless of how it is played being an evolution of that market.

When you keep going on about how you find this and that odd about replies of who ever it comes across as you bringing up intentions especially when you keep going on about how what he said was tame blah blah. Well the replies to his statement are tame so what's the problem which calls such a response into question, if someone posts a statement or an opinion people are free to respond to it so why would replying be odd in the first place, that's why to me you're coming across as not liking people responding to the statement.



Wyrdness said:
Zekkyou said:

My core point doesn't rely on an assumption though. As i just said, his preference may very well be contradictory. I don't know, which is precisely the point. I have to assume there is one, which by extension means there isn't inherently one within the current OT. The absence of information isn't inherently contradictory, and in the absence of an assumption it's just an unspecified personal opinion.

I only mentioned my conversation with goodnightmoon because you said something that ran counter to something i had said to you. That conversation with him happened to add additional context, so i mentioned it in the hope it'd help clear your confusion on that point.

Once again, there is more than one variable to size. Clarification would specify which variable he was talking about, but that doesn't change the fact that none of those variables are inherently contradictory. I listed the biggest three in my previous comment, and even your assumed contradiction don't nullify all of them.

I've not said anything about your intentions or "agenda", i just found it odd. If i thought i knew why you'd done it, then it wouldn't be odd :p

I'm not sure where you're getting this idea i don't like people responding. I also responded to the thread. My replies to others have been aimed at the logic behind some of those replies, not the act or tone of them. The ones i chose were the most recent.

If some variables mean the is a contradiction then the should be some clarification otherwise you have to accept the responses that come your way when you make statements of any sort, absence of information can be a contradiction despite what you're trying to push, your argument is based on the belief that something has to be in your hand to be a handheld something that doesn't right true with me as I've highlighted that it's portable mode renders it a handheld regardless of how it is played being an evolution of that market.

When you keep going on about how you find this and that odd about replies of who ever it comes across as you bringing up intentions especially when you keep going on about how what he said was tame blah blah. Well the replies to his statement are tame so what's the problem which calls such a response into question, if someone posts a statement or an opinion people are free to respond to it so why would replying be odd in the first place, that's why to me you're coming across as not liking people responding to the statement.

You seem to be confused about my beliefs again. You say my argument is based on the belief the system has to be in your hands, yet that runs counter to most of what I've said and argued. In the comment where i mention how i define a handheld, my following argument literally starts with "regardless", as my personal definition isn't relevant to what i say. In a comment before that, i present my argument under the explicit assumption that it's *not* being used as a traditionally hand held handheld. In several, I've also mention variables your assumed contradiction doesn't nullify.

My previous comment already addresses the second paragraph, but it's worth noting that your comment is the only one I've called odd. My only other conversation was with goodnightmoon, and his only assumption was a neutral one. He just doesn't understand some of the alternatives, which is fine. We all run into that sometimes.



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Zekkyou said:

You seem to be confused about my beliefs again. You say my argument is based on the belief the system has to be in your hands, yet that runs counter to most of what I've said and argued. In the comment where i mention how i define a handheld, my following argument literally starts with "regardless", as my personal definition isn't relevant to what i say. In a comment before that, i present my argument under the explicit assumption that it's *not* being used as a traditionally hand held handheld. In several, I've also mention variables your assumed contradiction doesn't nullify.

My previous comment already addresses the second paragraph, but it's worth noting that your comment is the only one I've called odd. My only other conversation was with goodnightmoon, and his only assumption was a neutral one. He just doesn't understand some of the alternatives, which is fine. We all run into that sometimes.

The only variable the contradiction doesn't nullify is when the device is in your hands with the JCs connected whcih is tbh the only angle you've really argued from all other instances the is a contradiction especially looking at the comments about fitting in your pocket, personal view or not that's the stance you're arguing from so I'm responding to that stance as such. As it goes you haven't really disproved anything I've posted as I've noted he may need to clarify what he means other wise it can end up as a contradiction which is a very neutral view mean while you're just repeating some notion about not all variables which has been noted a while ago and still doesn't disprove my point which included showing that the two devices with out the JC are roughly the same size something you can now not deny with the earlier image.

Your previous comment doesn't address anything at all it's just a vague I find it odd comment with no reasoning as to why or explanation instead you kept refferring to some other argument you were having here and there and declaring something is neutral. You haven't even explained what your definition of a neutral assumption is here so as such I've read it as how it comes across and it comes across as you not liking people responding to the statement or having some problem with it when everything is pretty tame.



Wyrdness said:
Zekkyou said:

You seem to be confused about my beliefs again. You say my argument is based on the belief the system has to be in your hands, yet that runs counter to most of what I've said and argued. In the comment where i mention how i define a handheld, my following argument literally starts with "regardless", as my personal definition isn't relevant to what i say. In a comment before that, i present my argument under the explicit assumption that it's *not* being used as a traditionally hand held handheld. In several, I've also mention variables your assumed contradiction doesn't nullify.

My previous comment already addresses the second paragraph, but it's worth noting that your comment is the only one I've called odd. My only other conversation was with goodnightmoon, and his only assumption was a neutral one. He just doesn't understand some of the alternatives, which is fine. We all run into that sometimes.

The only variable the contradiction doesn't nullify is when the device is in your hands with the JCs connected whcih is tbh the only angle you've really argued from all other instances the is a contradiction especially looking at the comments about fitting in your pocket, personal view or not that's the stance you're arguing from so I'm responding to that stance as such. As it goes you haven't really disproved anything I've posted as I've noted he may need to clarify what he means other wise it can end up as a contradiction which is a very neutral view mean while you're just repeating some notion about not all variables which has been noted a while ago and still doesn't disprove my point which included showing that the two devices with out the JC are roughly the same size something you can now not deny with the earlier image.

Your previous comment doesn't address anything at all it's just a vague I find it odd comment with no reasoning as to why or explanation instead you kept refferring to some other argument you were having here and there and declaring something is neutral. You haven't even explained what your definition of a neutral assumption is here so as such I've read it as how it comes across and it comes across as you not liking people responding to the statement or having some problem with it when everything is pretty tame.

It's not just the handheld argument that can nullify your assumed contradiction though, all three of the variables I've previously brought up can. If he's using it as a tablet, he still has to carry it around (and for most titles he'll also need to bring a core controller to put the JCs into). As both a handheld or a tablet, he could simply prefer it to be smaller. As i previously mentioned, i prefer the iPad Air to the standard model, despite them both being equally comfortable in my hands. Do you consider that contradictory too?

So, given the above, for your assumed contradiction to makes sense you have to make an assumption about your assumption. It becomes "Yoko is talking about it as a [variable], specifically in the context of [variable] ". When choosing between that and the more linear alternative, yes, i find your choice odd. 

I don't see much room for interpretation in the aforementioned "previous comment", so there's not much more i can do to expand upon that for you sorry.



Zekkyou said:

It's not just the handheld argument that can nullify your assumed contradiction though, all three of the variables I've previously brought up can. If he's using it as a tablet, he still has to carry it around (and for most titles he'll also need to bring a core controller to put the JCs into). As both a handheld or a tablet, he could simply prefer it to be smaller. As i previously mentioned, i prefer the iPad Air to the standard model, despite them both being equally comfortable in my hands. Do you consider that contradictory too?

So, given the above, for your assumed contradiction to makes sense you have to make an assumption about your assumption. It becomes "Yoko is talking about it as a [variable], specifically in the context of [variable] ". When choosing between that and the more linear alternative, yes, i find your choice odd. 

I don't see much room for interpretation in the aforementioned "previous comment", so there's not much more i can do to expand upon that for you sorry.

You're not really showing how the argument is nullified, some earliar made mention of it fitting in his pocket and as shown if Vita can fit in your pocket Switch will easily fit in your pocket as well or match it in size for all else this is why I mention it is somewhat of a contradiction and clarification would be nice. Even if used as a Tablet it'll fit and is smaller than other tablets which further backs my point on clarifying only variable that falls in line with his statement is when the JCs are attached. If anything I don't see what your argument is built on here as I've clearly highlight what my points refer to while you keep going on some round about trip about assumptions which tbh is starting to not make any coherant sense as far as the argument goes especially when the suggestion of him clarifying what he means is brought in. so no assumptions need to be made.

The's no assumed contradiction as the point is explained if you're struggling to understand  or haven't read the posts properly and refuse to ask what is meant or simply just want to continue being awkward then tbh that's not my problem as tbh your whole argument is odd to me going from you assumption fairyland talk to your complaints about people responding to the statement.



Wyrdness said:
Zekkyou said:

It's not just the handheld argument that can nullify your assumed contradiction though, all three of the variables I've previously brought up can. If he's using it as a tablet, he still has to carry it around (and for most titles he'll also need to bring a core controller to put the JCs into). As both a handheld or a tablet, he could simply prefer it to be smaller. As i previously mentioned, i prefer the iPad Air to the standard model, despite them both being equally comfortable in my hands. Do you consider that contradictory too?

So, given the above, for your assumed contradiction to makes sense you have to make an assumption about your assumption. It becomes "Yoko is talking about it as a [variable], specifically in the context of [variable] ". When choosing between that and the more linear alternative, yes, i find your choice odd. 

I don't see much room for interpretation in the aforementioned "previous comment", so there's not much more i can do to expand upon that for you sorry.

You're not really showing how the argument is nullified, some earliar made mention of it fitting in his pocket and as shown if Vita can fit in your pocket Switch will easily fit in your pocket as well or match it in size for all else this is why I mention it is somewhat of a contradiction and clarification would be nice. Even if used as a Tablet it'll fit and is smaller than other tablets which further backs my point on clarifying only variable that falls in line with his statement is when the JCs are attached. If anything I don't see what your argument is built on here as I've clearly highlight what my points refer to while you keep going on some round about trip about assumptions which tbh is starting to not make any coherant sense as far as the argument goes especially when the suggestion of him clarifying what he means is brought in. so no assumptions need to be made.

The's no assumed contradiction as the point is explained if you're struggling to understand  or haven't read the posts properly and refuse to ask what is meant or simply just want to continue being awkward then tbh that's not my problem as tbh your whole argument is odd to me going from you assumption fairyland talk to your complaints about people responding to the statement.

Do you know which variable he is discussing? No. 
Do you know in what capacity he is referring to any of those variables? No.
Do you have to assume specific results for both of these variables to arrive at a contradiction? Yes.

I can't be any clearer than that. It's fine if you disagree with his preferences for those variables, assumed or not, but it requires a very specific combination to arrive at a contradiction. Therein lies my confusion.

As a side note, you're being more aggressive than this discussion justifies. It started with interjections of stuff like "blah blah", and now we've arrived at "assumption fairyland". I don't care what you think of me or the discussion, it's not hard to be polite. You can say i'm wrong, confused, silly, whatever, but there's no need for active mockery.



Zekkyou said:

Do you know which variable he is discussing? No. 
Do you know in what capacity he is referring to any of those variables? No.
Do you have to assume specific results for both of these variables to arrive at a contradiction? Yes.

I can't be any clearer than that. It's fine if you disagree with his preferences for those variables, assumed or not, but it requires a very specific combination to arrive at a contradiction. Therein lies my confusion.

As a side note, you're being more aggressive than this discussion justifies. It started with interjections of stuff like "blah blah", and now we've arrived at "assumption fairyland". I don't care what you think of me or the discussion, it's not hard to be polite. You can say i'm wrong, confused, silly, whatever, but there's no need for active mockery.

Do we know what varibales he's talking about? No which is why clarification is needed to clear that up is saying maybe he should clarify unreasonable? No, I highlighted variables and flat out said some of them could be contradictions hence the asking for clarification it's not a hard post to understand and it's a problem of your own if you don't or didn't read it properly as that's as simple as it can get.

I'm being polite believe me you'd know when I'm being aggressive and people in other threads right now have shown far more agrression then what you're moaning about, if you don't like it then you're free to not respond. Fairyland describes it well because you're going round in circles on your own thing on something that was explained properly when asked for you to explain yourself for more understanding you refused and continued the approach almost as a deliberate attempt to be awkward so I'll describe it as such because that's how it's coming across a bizarre argument that you refuse to clarify on and continue to push. You're harping on about variables when earliar posts flat out say he should probably clarify. If blah blah is aggressive to you then you're free to leave because it's used in everyday language where I am to shorten things.