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Miyamotoo said:
Mr Puggsly said:

I believe the primary reason UE4 never came to PS360 and Wii U is because it wasn't needed. UE4 released when 7th gen was on the way out and Wii U was never relevant.

If UE4 came to 7th gen consoles and Wii U it would primarily be inferior visually. Look at UE3 titles on Vita, they scale back the graphics signficiantly but the games are intact.

But Wii U didnt supported even UE3 while PS360 supported it, and for instance Wii U even received Unity suport very late, while Switch support almost of available engines right of gate, and has very modern tools, APIs...all that make huge difrence compared to Wii U espacily in combination with hardware that is easier to work with.

What are you talking about? Devil's Third (a wiiu exclusive) is on UE3.



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potato_hamster said:
                                         

Of course. That's why games like Mass Effect: Andromeda and Red Dead Redemption 2 aren't coming to the Switch. That's why Overwatch's dev team is doubtful they can even port an existing PS4 game to the Switch, because the Switch is even easier to develop for than the PS4. That makes perfect sense.

It's really amazing how you manage to put everything in a bad light.

Original quote from JeffKaplan: "I'm loving the Switch! My second favourite gaming platform of all time is the 3DS. Getting OW on the Switch is very challenging for us. But we're always open minded about exploring possible platforms".

doubt =/= challenge.

How do you even manage to get out of bed every morning? All I see is spreading negativity towards the Switch and Zelda the recent weeks. Is that your main Agenda here? I'm just curious.



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Miyamotoo said:

Regarding Switch’s technical performance, Eggebrecht said its between Wii U and Xbox One. However, he claims that developing is as easy or even easier than the PlayStation 4. Switch is further supported by having all modern GPU standards.

This has been known for months.

malistix1985 said:
The Switch being between the Wii-U and XBox One in performance in docked mode doesn't say everything since all games have to work on handheld too. Its also not just going up against the old consoles from 2013 but competing directly with the mid-cycle upgrades.

Handheld moed is still faster than the Wii U.

d21lewis said:
I feel like that's covering a lot of ground. Like saying "Super NES is between an NES and a PlayStation."

That's cool, but is the Switch closer to 7th gen performance (PS3, 360) or can we expect games that look like Ryse or Quantum Break?

In terms of hardware capability, there isn't an effect that the Xbox One or Playstation 4 can do that the Switch cannot.
That is ultimately the big difference between the Playstation 3 and Xbox 360 verses the Switch and This Gen. The hardware feature set.

Granted, the Switch isn't able to run those effects to the same quality degree or have as many of them, the Switch is definitely closer to being in the middle of last and this gen in terms of overall performance/capability.

potato_hamster said:

So the Switch is going to get all of the lovely little indies that the PS3, Xbox 360, Wii U, PS4, Xbox One, 3DS and PS Vita get already. That's splendid news from months ago.


None of this is really news. It's just rehashing the same old rhetoric, but because someone else says it, then it gets repeated in the news cycle again.

SegataSanshiro said:
BraLoD said:
That "easier than PS4" is quite misleading, as it can't run a lot of what is on PS4.

Probably means API. API maybe easier to work with on Switch to get more out of the hardware he has. PS4 API maybe a bit more complicated to get more form that hardware. Nothing to do with power.

The Switch is using similar API's to the Playstation 4. Aka. OpenGL/Vulkan and other derivatives.

Mr Puggsly said:
I'm sure performance is a lot closer to Wii U than X1.

I mean all Switch did for Breath of the Wild is raise the resolution from 720p to 900p. But still impressive for a portable device.

In Handheld mode, I wouldn't be surprised. But we haven't seen what the Switch can do yet.

Best to keep in mind that a Wii-U's end-of-generation game is a ported launch title for the Switch and the Switch runs it flawlessly in handheld mode.

markodeniro said:
I think he means if you have a game that is identical on both consoles then the Switch is easier to develop for. Simple

More or less, barring any hardware performance limitations... If you were to build a game for a Playstation 4 and Switch, then getting the Switch game up and running should happen faster than the Playstation 4 version.

Remember, time is money!

Miyamotoo said:

In raw power Switch is closer to Wii U, but technically it's much closer to X1 (and maybe above X1 more modern tech/arhicture).

Well Switch did raise MK8 resolution from 720p to 1080p, or Fast RMX from 720p to 1080p with better visuals and frame rate. One game doesn't mean much.

It is not above the Xbox One in any aspect.
The Switch's hardware is certainly more efficient than the Xbox One, but the Xbox One simply has more resources.

JRPGfan said:

I mean I guess thats true... even if its much closer to Wii U, than Xbox One.

Wii U - 176 Gflops.
Switch - 393 Gflops (docked)
Xbox One - 1300 Gflops.
Xbox One Slim - 1400 Gflops
Playstation 4 (&slim) - 1840 Gflops

Flop numbers between the Switch and the Xbox One/Playstation 4 isn't accurate or representational.
It's common knowledge that Maxwell flogs Graphics Core Next 1.0 in terms of efficiency.

Miyamotoo said:

I dont think that Ryse look much better than Halo 4 for instance.

Whaaaat? It's a night and day difference.
Play Master Chief Collection, with Halo 4 running at 1080P, 60fps, you can readily see the flaws in the imagry.

Miyamotoo said:

Talking about Switch, just look FAST RMX, and how actually huge difference is compared to Wii U version, and that's actually great because Switch is not full generation above Wii U if we talk about raw power. We still need to see Nintendo pushing hardware, most of this 1st Switch games are Wii U ports or reused assets and other parts of Wii U games, IMO 1st "real Switch game" will be Mario Odyssey.


Still early days with the Wwitch yet. Give it a few years and wait to see how the games look.

Miyamotoo said:

Fact is that Wii U didnt supported for instance UE3 and UE4 and Switch support them.

You can ofcourse port game without engine support but thats means much more work for porting, so opposite of what devs talking about Switch thats very easy for developing and that is "light years ahead of Wii U".

It's a case of... Epic didn't wan't to port Unreal Engine 4 to Wii U, not that it couldn't.

Plus games wouldn't have looked significantly better... And Epic obviously didn't see enough of a market base to warrant the effort.

3rd party developers were more than welcome to port Unreal Engine 4 to the Wii U themselves if they wanted... But by that point, the Wii U sales had stalled and there wasn't really a big market to make money from.







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Safiir said:
Miyamotoo said:

But Wii U didnt supported even UE3 while PS360 supported it, and for instance Wii U even received Unity suport very late, while Switch support almost of available engines right of gate, and has very modern tools, APIs...all that make huge difrence compared to Wii U espacily in combination with hardware that is easier to work with.

What are you talking about? Devil's Third (a wiiu exclusive) is on UE3.

My bad, I probably replaced it with UE4..



Miyamotoo said:
malistix1985 said:
The Switch being between the Wii-U and XBox One in performance in docked mode doesn't say everything since all games have to work on handheld too. Its also not just going up against the old consoles from 2013 but competing directly with the mid-cycle upgrades.

People can disagree but the price between the PS4 Pro and Nintendo Switch is actually not a lot and the switch is priced well above the base ps4 and xbox one models.

As a handheld its powerful enough but as a home console it won't deliver anywhere near the experience already available on the market. I am glad people are enjoying the device but the debates about the power are quite pointless its been very clear nintendo has no intention of joining the war to be "the most powerful console" on the market

I think I gave up being able to play RDR2 or Mass Effect or Cyberpunk on a Nintendo system long ago

Switch is still strong even in portable mode than Wii U, and Wii U was actually great home console for Nintendo games, and Switch can be only better.

Of Course that Nintendo has no intention of joining the war to be "the most powerful console" on the market, and what would be point when other two companies are already doing that, best Nintendo chances are to offer something different and new, not most "powerful hardware".

Having console thats stronger than Wii U or half of XB1 in form factor of Switch is very impressive.

Looking at this image, I find it silly when people try to compare the Switch to XBox 1 or the PS4 in terms of power. Maybe those people think the pixels appear on their screen through magic?

 

Whatever the case, I'm not much of a power or graphics nut but it's good to hear the Switch can outperform the Wii U.



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KLAMarine said:
Miyamotoo said:

Switch is still strong even in portable mode than Wii U, and Wii U was actually great home console for Nintendo games, and Switch can be only better.

Of Course that Nintendo has no intention of joining the war to be "the most powerful console" on the market, and what would be point when other two companies are already doing that, best Nintendo chances are to offer something different and new, not most "powerful hardware".

Having console thats stronger than Wii U or half of XB1 in form factor of Switch is very impressive.

Looking at this image, I find it silly when people try to compare the Switch to XBox 1 or the PS4 in terms of power. Maybe those people think the pixels appear on their screen through magic?

 

Whatever the case, I'm not much of a power or graphics nut but it's good to hear the Switch can outperform the Wii U.

Agree, it's very impressive that so much smaller Switch has 2-3x more power than Wii U.



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TomaTito said:
potato_hamster said:

"Ohh shit, he threw the Vita in there, and the Vita isn't getting very many indie games anymore considering it's pretty much been abandoned by Sony at this point! I'll ignore all of the indie titles the Switch has or is getting that the Vita already has, and the other six platforms potato mentioned, because these two games aren't coming to the Vita! His entire point is invalid!"

It's amazing how you think.

The Switch is a new platform that is not backwards compatible. Indies and developers are porting their current titles to it since it is lower risk and a normal thing to do if you want to prepare the ground during the launch period. We've seen this before.

If anything they should be porting older classics due to the easy development mentioned here.

... yes? I'm not quire sure what your point is there considering this was pretty much my intial point, that is, that the Switch is getting all kinds of indie titles that are already on other platforms.



potato_hamster said:
TomaTito said:

The Switch is a new platform that is not backwards compatible. Indies and developers are porting their current titles to it since it is lower risk and a normal thing to do if you want to prepare the ground during the launch period. We've seen this before.

If anything they should be porting older classics due to the easy development mentioned here.

... yes? I'm not quire sure what your point is there considering this was pretty much my intial point, that is, that the Switch is getting all kinds of indie titles that are already on other platforms.

Do you see that as a positive or negative way?



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TomaTito said:
potato_hamster said:

... yes? I'm not quire sure what your point is there considering this was pretty much my intial point, that is, that the Switch is getting all kinds of indie titles that are already on other platforms.

Do you see that as a positive or negative way?

Its a fine thing. Why would I be bothered that the Switch is getting games?