Milking Franchises = Success for Ninty.

Where exactly are people making it bigger than what it is because what they said is perfectly reasonable, holiday period is often the most fruitful so it makes sense that that factor would also be factored in a comparison. Neither you nor him have really come up with any reason why the's a problem with the comparison.

Both of you are admitting that what the post said is right yet both of you are trying to argue, the context was comparing the launch windows yet he goes on a tangent about lifetime sales, that's nowhere near the context of the comparison.

And again he never said that it was not fruitful he gave ANOTHER viewpoint of it. Just like I did in my reply just as ana example. So there is no problem with the comparison. It seemed as though because he gave a different view it was taken as an argument but it if fact WAS NOT an argument. That's why I said I think people took it out of context. Lauch windows he literally said Switch was ahead of the Wii U and I guess because he didn't state it in the same manor or others it was taken as an attack for some odd reason.

You keep saying viewpoint when the is no other viewpoint he gave he's arguing something else entirely as what does lifetime sales of other platforms have to do with a comparison of launch window performance between two specific platforms. If anything both you and him are the ones taking things out of context in your replies, he even called the posts of others non-sense and you think that would not come across as disputing, tbh nothing in that post even comes across as giving another viewpoint at all, he's was disputing how Switch had what ever advantage while bringing up lifetime sales of other platforms

You've still not highlight who was going over the top with the comparison.

I agree with your sentiment that the Wii U deserved better sales.  I've had mine since launch day, have a ton of games for it, and never regretted the purchase.  However, a $99 pricepoint did nothing to gain ground for the Gamecube.  The Wii U could have gotten into the low 20 millions with price cuts perhaps, but then you are talking about Nintendo taking losses on the hardware just to inflate lifetime sales a bit.  I think they preferred not to cut off their nose to spite their face.  They took what sales they could get at the price they needed to until the Switch was launchable.  And at this point, they don't want anyone buying a Wii U, because that's 1 less potential Switch customer, so again no end of life price cut either.  It's a shame, yes.  But, it was a big picture decision. 

I look at the Wii U as an experimental stepping stone to get to the Switch as a viable product.  With the gamepad, they were trying to bring the capability of continuing with your console gaming away from the tv all on 1 device, but weren't quite there yet.  I remember before the NX speculation/Switch reveal; some people were saying that Nintendo needed to bring out a stop gap console between the dying Wii U and their next gen console since Wii U wasn't likely to last a full gen.  What if Wii U was actually the stop-gap console between a dying Wii and the Switch all along?

Oh my apologies let me go see I can clearly remember someone posting in big BOLD letters in this thread how it did it outside of the holidays. "WiiU sold 800,000 at launch during HOLIDAY SEASON, i'd say Switch is very far ahead of the wiiu since Switch launched in March" that was from the same guy he quoted. It being outside of the Holiday season does not put it far ahead was his point is what I got from his post. This was from another guy in the thread "I think the Switch has the potential to be the biggest selling console since the DS or Wii" because it sold well during March and something about TV top consoles were dying or a thing of the past. So with those in my head and his posts regarding the PSP etc I saw it as him putting things into context. Saying other systems have all sold well that launched in March was just being level.Not taking ANYTHING away from the great lauch that the Switch had because it was indeed great. And I hope it continues on well. But to say things had this in favor at this time and this against it etc other can make an opposite point as I did in my earlier post.

And again imo seemed to be another view point that was being made. Which was fine and the posts where he called others thoughts non-sense I did not see so I can't comment on those.

I chose your reply to accumulate my responses to several posts on this theme as I think it can drill into the root issue that I'm trying to get at.

What do GBA, DS, and 3DS have in common?

#1 : Cheap Games. $20-$30 for most new games, with some coming in at $35-$40 initially. 

#2 : Cheap Systems. No handheld has ever sold well at prices north of $199 USD. Affordable to get into.

#3 : Quick dev time. Games for Nintendo handhelds from the Gameboy days all the way to n3DS have been on simple hardware with low resolutions and not a lot of fancy tricks to deal with. Even the 2nd screen for DS/3DS is really just another low-resolution extension of the main screen. So, it's easy to crank out a ton of content using small teams. This is fantastic, because risk is low, and tons of content can get on the shelves and online store rapidly.

#4 : NO real competition. The most credible of all time was the PSP, followed by the Game Gear. Both of these exposed a basic problem though : in handheld console competition, you want to be cheap and have plenty of games. PSP was more expensive than the Nintendo competition, and had a fraction of the games.

So, if Nintendo can present the Switch as grabbing the torch of Nintendo handheld mainline gaming, AND get a mass-market handheld price (sub-$200), AND get a big flow of the kind of titles that sustained those previous hit systems, then they can sell a healthy amount of Switches.

I absolutely do think they need a smaller, more sleek model to really hit the bigtime though. Switch as it is, it's a bit too bulky/cumbersome to be a pocketable/easy to deal with device. That will almost certainly happen down the line.

On the flipside, if they are trying to meet higher price v price with Sony/MS and present the Switch as a home console, I just really doubt that it will work out well for them.

People simply have different expectations of handheld gaming vs. home console gaming.

I think that they will more than likely lower the price, get new SKUs out, and have a strong non-AAA library built up on this thing. Game pricing will be something to consider. It's absolutely fine for games like BOTW and 3D Mario to be $59 full-priced games. However, 2D marios, the kind of stuff that DS/3DS have gotten for years, those need to be $25-$40. Changing $59 for many of those kinds of games might limit the appeal of the system.

Wii I covered earlier. It's timeframe, early success followed by a steep decline, launching at excellent pricing vs unestablished super expensive Gen7 competition, and the initial motion controls/fitness craze are not elements that are likely to be repeated anytime soon. WiiU was a better Wii, and it was a disaster because the market wasn't the same.

Wii U launched in holiday season when more people have money to burn as opposed to Switch launching in March which tends to be a lot more quiet for platforms, this is a sensible thing to note. Had Switch launched in the holiday season it's sales could have been potentially higher where as Wii U the same may not be said of it missing the holiday period, Switch sold in one week half of the total of what Wii U managed in its first year and still has a holiday season of it's own to come, what he said is a logical comparison as outside of the holiday season is harder to generate momentum for any platform.

The context isn't really there as this is a comparison of launch window performance of two platforms not what platforms launched in March and did well. In context of launch window performance what the post said is right Switch at the moment is significantly ahead having launched better in a harder period than it's predecessor.

Holiday season will almost certainly bring an HD remake of Pokemon Sun and Moon, which will, again, sell probably over a million console units...

Oh I got what you meant! I just saw the logic in both stances.