I'm not sure, I was trying to diffuse any potential hostility that might be looming. 

Months before Sony formally revealed the Pro at its own event, but days after Sony confirmed the Pros existence. Literally. Sony confirmed Neo existed on June 10th. Low and behold, MS confirmed Scorpio existed at that years E3... On June 13th.  As for rumors? Show me your proof. I'd like to see the earliest Microsoft talked about iterative upgrades with Xbox one. I gave you my evidence with citation and all, so now it's your turn otherwise "rumors came out for Scorpio first" is nothing more than an opinion with nothing to back it up.

And I'm not making assumptions about anything you're saying. I said that if someone tried to argue that the Pro was copying Scorpio, they would look stupid. Someone would look less stupid to argue that Scorpio is copying Pro considering they're both mid gen upgrades, one launched a year before the other, one had rumors before the other (at least as far as I know. October, 2015 for pro. Where was your proof again?) and one had a unified strategy clearly in place before the other (what with Shannon Loftis stating initially that Scorpio could have exclusives if Devs wanted to target that device, yet flip flopping on that statement shortly later - contrast that against pro where it was quickly shot down that it would have exclusives and that was that, no confusion, with a clear and thought out strategy).

Also, I'm not saying it never will be. I'm saying you keep referring to the console as if its a commercially available product now when it's not. You keep saying Microsoft has the most powerful console ever, when they don't. You're applying products from the future to the present. Which is why I pointed out that, using your same lollipops and farts logic, by applying other products from the future, Scorpio is already redundant. That's not how I feel, but that is the same logic you're using. I'm a technical person, you should say things more in the vein of Scorpio WILL be the most powerful console, not Scorpio IS the most powerful console. Past/present/future tense. They all have separate meaning. 

Oh gee, hmm, why is that relevent? Maybe because we were literally just discussing this within like the last two hours? If you can't carry on your conversations or have short term memory loss then I have no idea what business you have trying to hang in a debate.

Rumors of the PS4 Pro began circulating since March 18 whereas Scorpio rumors didn't come up until about two months later. Two months is a rather large window.

Im sorry, bro. You're using sensible logic. If he was right the scorpio wouldve been out by now and Microsoft would never have known to make the Scorpio 6 TFlops by june of last year. Seriously...

Oh, no worries then, there wasn't any to begin with.

People make me laugh about "why not buy a gaming pc" when the best selling games on the PS4/Xbox one are all found on the PC for the most part.

That's from 2016, no?

This is from 2015.

Sick burn, breh! Totally can't hang dog. Just to correct you, there was never any conversation about how important power is. II brought up the Scorpio being the most powerful console ever to someone else only to illustrate their different approach and longer development time than the Pro. Your thoughts on how important power is, or mine, or anyone else's, is entirely irrelevant. It doesn't change the Scorpios power one bit. I hope you aren't confused any longer.

So it's just a powerful Xbox One like PS4 pro to PS4. It's great for xbox owner who like to upgrade or people who don't have and don't like PC . But for PC and consoles person like me, i am happy having PC to play Microsoft games .

This is mind boggling to me.... not that I gree with you, but that I don't understand how someone thats eems so knowledgeable about the industry can at the same time seem so clueless on this particualr topic.

But here is my take on it.....

1. borrowing from what you said, console development takes time. To add to that..... and MONEY. Lots of it. Not just for the R&D, but for the marketing, tools, testing....etc. Its not just like starpping together abluray drive and a video decoder and making a bluray player that any company on the planet can do. Hell, you can even source out parts to make your own bluray player that yu would sell under you own brand and get that all going under 3 months. Why you would want to do that do is another matter.
   
   
2. Now if you can understand the concept of (1) above, then you should know that at the time a console comes to market, the company that made it is already a lot of money in the hle before the first console is even sold. Even if they made a small profit on each unit sold, it takes a while for them to be profitable. 
   
   that is where exclusives come in, they help and accelerate the process by which one platform growns its install base. higher install base means moremoney from royalties on all software sold on the platform. Which is the business model by which console gaming exists.
   
   
3. So I find it shocking that you can't see how having everything on everything (while great for the consumer) be a problem for the industry as a whole. Why would i need to buy an XB1 if I can get everything it has on the PC/PS4. Or why would i need to buy a console at all if I can get everything on a PC? Then again, everything you just said sounds like "everythingshould be on PC because i game on PC". What sense does that make to sony or nintendo? 
   
   I am sorry, but I have zero trust for Microsoft...... and i dread the day when everything gaming related exists on their platform. And as far as I am concerned... the PC (windows) is an MS platform.

People will continue to speculate that it's a new console even when Phil says the opposite.