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Do you believe in evolution?

Yes 657 75.69%
 
Mostly, some things are questionable. 74 8.53%
 
No 99 11.41%
 
Not really, but some could be true. 38 4.38%
 
Total:868
Random_Matt said:
Fact is the wrong term, you would be crucified in the scientific world by using that term.
You can go as far to say it is heavily supported, and the majority of people support the evolutionary theories.

Science doesn't know facts just the most likely and most supported scenario based on records, concluding data and evidence. As for now evolution is as much a fact as that gravity is able to bend space and time. Thus making the earth orbiting around the sun. We are not 100% sure this is the case and there are a few weird planet and starts out there who are somehow an exception to that rule. Most probable due to those objects having an unexpected high mass. Anyway I am sure biology has a few odd jobs themselves but the general idea of evolution is widely supported in science. But since we have a flat earth society why not have a no evolution society. 



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Evolution is a fact.



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From a scientist/academic: science is not about consensus per se, but peer review and peer approval. What this means is that your thesis must be repeatable independently (ie you run the data, test the hypothesis, and the outcome is the same and independent of any observer bias or error).

When many experiments prove the same hypothesis through independent measurements, you have the so called consensus which is nothing but the verification of the claimed relation between the variables investigated.

It is not about 'democracy'. Scientists don't vote on what they believe is going on. They measure it.



Science is not about facts. Facts change over time as they are themselves an aspect of the social construction of every meaning. The fact of 'gravity' has changed substantially from Newton to Einstein, but the phenomenon indisputably exists (and can be calculated with either Newtonian or Einstainian physics).

Science does not produce Facts, it produces knowledge of verifiable relations between observable and testable phenomena. Einstein does not tell us, for example, any facts (in the rigid sense) about what mass or the speed of light are. It merely tell us how these phenomena interrelate in the cosmos.



Yes, it's a fact, and only people who can't even point out 90% of the world countries on a map, did not study history or have no clue about anthropology think otherwise (and a sect of certain americans, but those also think the world is flat so...)



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craighopkins said:
evolution was thought of by a satanic person and is a hoax

it violates spontaneous generation, law of information systems, specified complexity, irreducible complexity, statistical mathematics, natural selection, fossil records, beneficial mutations, genetic complexity, and information theory

Spontaneous Generation 

Evolution has nothing to do with how life on earth started. You are confusing evolution with abiogenesis. 

Law of Information Systems

Nobody says this besides Bill Dembski. Almost every mathematician that has looked over his work has said it was nonsense. This is just another way of saying that evolution is improbable, but we'll address that in a minute. 

Specified Complexity

This is the idea that certain life forms on earth were designed to perform specific tasks, and couldn't have possibly ever performed another task in the past. For example: Vultures were designed to clean up rotting carcasses and prevent the spread of disease. If you took away one of the traits of a vulture such as having strong stomach acid, or a keen sense of smell it wouldn't be able to perform it's biological function. In essence this is just another form of the "irriducable complexity" argument.

Irriducable Complexity

This is the idea that if you took a single part out of an organism it wouldn't function. For example if we took the trigger out of a mousetrap it would no longer function and is thus irriducibly complex. The flaw in this thinking is the assumption that evolution always works in a straight line. Evolution often takes wild paths. Just look at whales, they came from the sea as fish, then evolved into mammals, then went back to the sea agian and look like fish. To use the mousetrap example, even without a trigger, a mousetrap is still useful as a tieclip. To use an example from biology, wings in bats did not take a sudden straight path to becoming wings. Before they were wings, they were claws, and before that they were fins. The irriducable complexity argument assumes that some fish suddenly evolved it's fins into wings with no useful inbetween. 

Statistical Mathmatics 

No matter how improbable something may seem, if the evidence is staring you in the face you have to accept it. Statistics takes a backseat to imperical observation. A prosecutor can argue till he's blue in the face about how improbable it was that Jimmy died accidentally. "Oh Jimmy couldn't have suddenly slipped on a bannana peel, rolled down the hill and fell into the dumpster just as the trash compactor was activating. The odds are a million to one!" The second that the defense shows footage from a local security camera of Jimmy doing just that, the prosecutor is dead in the water. Likewise, you can say that evolution is improbable until you are blue in the face, but the second millions of fossils are thrown in your face you are proven wrong. 

Natural Selection and Fossil Records

Evolution *is* natural selection. It can't violate itself. The fossil record does nothing but support evolution. A two second google search for "fossil evidence for evolution" proves you wrong. A youtuber named Donexodus2 has a series on the evidence for evolution. I suggest you watch it, and educate yourself. 


Beneficial Mutations

Yeah, yeah, only one in a thousand mutations are benificial therefore evolution couldnt' possibly work, right? Except you are forgetting two things. First off, benificial mutations being only one in a thousand would only slow evolution down, not stop it outright. Even if you filled a bucket with a single pebble once every thousand years, the bucket would eventually become full. Second, mutations are not the only way that evolution makes progress. Finding new combinations of existing genes, and passing on the benificial combinations pushes evolution forward as well. For example: Your dad has red hair, and your mom has green eyes. You get your red hair from your mom, and your blue eyes from your dad. A lot of people think that's sexy, and you get to pass on your genes. 

Genetic Complexity

"Modern DNA is too complex to have suddenly appeaered out of nowhere!" Except you are forgetting that modern DNA likely evolved as well. The first organisms on earth likely had RNA, or something even simpler. 

Information Theory

Just another example of someone putting probability ahead of empirical observation. "But Bob couldn't have had a Royal Flush. The odds are 649739 to 1!" - Some idiot. "You watched the cards get dealt. You watched the flop and the river. You know it's impossible for me to cheat with all the cameras in the casino. STFU" - Bob. Not to mention this was also dreamt up by Dembski, and multiple mathematicians have discredited his work already. 



craighopkins said:
evolution was thought of by a satanic person and is a hoax

it violates spontaneous generation, law of information systems, specified complexity, irreducible complexity, statistical mathematics, natural selection, fossil records, beneficial mutations, genetic complexity, and information theory

You have to understand what any of these are, before you lump them all together and cry that evolution is a hoax.



Helloplite said:
craighopkins said:
evolution was thought of by a satanic person and is a hoax

it violates spontaneous generation, law of information systems, specified complexity, irreducible complexity, statistical mathematics, natural selection, fossil records, beneficial mutations, genetic complexity, and information theory

You have to understand what any of these are, before you lump them all together and cry that evolution is a hoax.

He's just parroting Discovery Institute arguments that were all debunked over ten years ago. 



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craighopkins said:
Jesus is the Truth the way and the Life. Jesus knocks you just have to open your hearts to him. Too much evil in the world to live without him

Prove it.



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