VGPolyglot said:
Now? When was he not one? |
I actually didn't know of his love for pedophelia until now, that's why I wrote it that way :).
VGPolyglot said:
Now? When was he not one? |
I actually didn't know of his love for pedophelia until now, that's why I wrote it that way :).
I am pretty sure you are wrong.
Bill mahr is fighting the good fight, in a country where it would be easier to just give up.
Also, i didn't watch the video, but from skimming the article, it sounds like a rape vs love situation, wich are very different. The case he defended was a couple where she was pregnant twice. She wasn't forcing the boy either and it's quite difficult to rape men. That doesn't qualify as rape, when its consentual.
thismeintiel said:
And this is where we run into the problems we face today. Too many people see one or two things a person says or does and that's what bases their entire opinion of a person. If you like those couple of things, the guy/gal is golden pretty much forever. You dislike those things, and they are forever "bad" in your eyes. It really needs to stop. This mindset is how we got the 2 worst candidates for president this past election. It's why we will continue to get bad candidates in the future. And it's the same thing for people defending Milo, even though his comments were just as bad as Maher's. Hell, I guess I could make the argument Milo's weren't quite as bad. He actually was sexually abused, which probably led to his opinion on the issue, however wrong it is. If I had to guess, I'd say he also believes a man can be raped. What's Maher's excuse? He likes the looks of 12 year olds having sex (he did say the only bad thing about it is we didn't have the sex tape) and thinks they are actually mature enough to process everything going on at that time? |
Well I have no opinion on him. I have a base of my initial encounter with a person being "fine" or to put it simply, no opinion. I don't like or dislike him. I see him mostly as a political comedian and I like some of the jokes he makes. His smug attitude can be very annoying though

| StarOcean said: I'm fine with him. I loved Religioulous or whatever that film he made was called. |
He bothers me sometimes, but I'm ok with him too. I totally get why somebody wouldn't like him though. He has a way about him. Still want to see Religiolous.
- "If you have the heart of a true winner, you can always get more pissed off than some other asshole."
I agree, I do not like him either. Also, Steven Colbert, man, he is nothing compared to David Letterman, what a unfunny guy. Not saying because he is a lefty, Conan also is, but he is amazingly funny!
I think they should have given the Late Show to Norm Macdonald or Brian Regan.
COKTOE said:
He bothers me sometimes, but I'm ok with him too. I totally get why somebody wouldn't like him though. He has a way about him. Still want to see Religiolous. |
He also has no idea what socialism really is:
| Nem said: I am pretty sure you are wrong. |
When we talk about consent in a legal sense, we are almost always talking about informed consent.
If there is an attractive male teacher in a middle school or high school, I'm sure there are young girls who would absolutely consent to have sex with him. However, at that age, they are incapable of giving informed consent. Their brains literally haven't developed to the point where they have the executive function to consider the long term effects of their actions, and they likely don't understand enough about sex to make an informed decision.
Adults are smarter, more worldly, more sophisticated, have more money, and weild more power than a 12 year old girl does. A teacher is in a position where students are taught to implicitly trust that teachers are looking out for their best interestes. It's not a matter of consent among two equals. It's an inherently unequal situation.
Changing the gender of the student does nothing to change the situation. Whether it is a girl or a boy they might want, with all of their heart, to fuck their teacher. However, that does not mean that this is what's best for them. In this case, do you think that the 14 year old boy is happy to have two children with a woman who will be in her 50s when he turns 30? I'd say it's very likely he will regret this decision.
| AbbathTheGrim said: The law is the law. But "adulthood" is not defined by a specific age. Adulthood is not something tangible like going Super Saiyan:
where you can see a visual difference between a "then" and "now". Not SS: black hair, Super Saiyan: yellow. Adolescent: ????, Adult: ???? Fact is that there are people who don't seem to have the mental capicity to handle their sexuality responsibly and with owneship even after they reach their age of consent, fact is that there are people who grow up faster than others and can become mature enough to make decisions regarding their sexuality. Age of consent doesn't take any of this into account, age of consent is just a blanket law that makes us feel better about our society and give us a sense that we are protecting children, which of course is important and we should totally do. There are countries where minors who have sexual relationships with others have no legal consecuences. It isn't the act that is forbidden, but the age of one of the partners what can land someone in prison. We are trying to protect minors from being coerced and manipulated into sex, which is something important, but there is no effort or mechanisms to evaluate whether both minors really didn't know what they were doing and if one of them, in spite of being a minor legally, acted with malice and coercion over the other minor. We just take their age as enough argument to consider both innocent, what is completely hypocritical. If the act of a minor having sex is not what we are trying to evade (because no legal actions are taken against minors having sex with each other) and what we are trying to evade is coercion and manipulation from an adult, we should do a case by case research and find out whether the minor was mentally mature to consent or not. I don't think Maher made the above claim and took that stance from an informed position. I tend to agree with Maher most of the time, this time I don't. |
It's not hypocritical, it's a matter of necessity. We simply cannot make a case by case distinction on whether or someone is "mature" or not. Mature is a nebulous term that is subject to opinion. I'm pretty sure even two trained child psychologists can reach a different conclusion of who is mature or not.
Moreover sexual desire often clouds judgment. For example, there are plenty of girls I've been attracted to who I thought were the sweetest most kindest people in the world who in retrospect were cunts. Because I was sexually attracted to them, I saw things that weren't there.
So, if an adult was sexually attracted to a minor, and truly believed they were mature enough to consent to sexual activity, but someone later determines they weren't, what happens? Is he a criminal? How would an adult, in this circumstance, decide whether or not he was ok in pursuing a sexual relationship? In court, how could it be proven that he was acting intentionally maliciously?
Ultimately, we cannot really judge things on a case by case basis. We need to have some sort of standard to protect minors, and the best we could do is draw a line in the sand. It's far from a perfect system, but I believe it is the best that we can feasibly enforce.
| WagnerPaiva said: I agree, I do not like him either. Also, Steven Colbert, man, he is nothing compared to David Letterman, what a unfunny guy. Not saying because he is a lefty, Conan also is, but he is amazingly funny! I think they should have given the Late Show to Norm Macdonald or Brian Regan. |
Agree. Colbert has his moments, but they are far fewer than Letterman's. And Norm would have been awesome. He's my favortie comedian. Best of all, he doesn't give a fuck, so he wouldn't be opposed to asking celecbrities really awkward questions they probably don't want to be asked.
@ OP
Looks like Bill Maher doesn't even know what he believes. Looks like he's done a 180. Here he says that Milo is just a "provocateur" and the left overreacted. Uh, didn't he JUST get done asking the left to thank him for getting rid of Milo? He also said "the poor guy" lost his job because he crossed the line. Uh, the same line Maher was revealed to have crossed? Maybe Maher should do the standup thing then and quit.
Seriously, I think Maher should get himself checked out. That's as much spinning as Trump does when he gets caught saying something false.
JWeinCom said:
When we talk about consent in a legal sense, we are almost always talking about informed consent.
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The problem is that is not necesserely true. It varies from person to person.
In a legal sense yeah, its the law that was aproved. But morally, i think it depends on the situation. One remedy for all situations is not always the right thing to perscript.
Nem said:
The problem is that is not necesserely true. It varies from person to person. In a legal sense yeah, its the law that was aproved. But morally, i think it depends on the situation. One remedy for all situations is not always the right thing to perscript. |
No. It is true. Pretty much always. There are parts of the brain that are simply not developed to the extent of an adult brain. The part of the body that regulates impulse and makes decisions is not fully formed in males till about 25, and I think about 22 in females. Unless the child in question is a prodigy, their brains are not as developed as the adult in the situation, and they are not consenting as equals.
There's really no moral argument to be made for a 30ish year old teacher having sex with a 12 year old boy. There would have to be something incredibly out of the ordinary (so out of the ordinary that I can't think what it might even be) about the situation. And, of course, Bill Maher had no information with which he could have decided that this situation was unique.