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VGPolyglot said:

Women have physical disadvantages and advantages, so some sports would result in women doing better probably, and others would result in them being worse. At least giving them a chance would be better then only being able to particpate in sports which are largely overshadowed by the male counterparts.

Just out of curiosity: Which? There are literally hundreds of sports, and I'm sure there are indeed a few. Yet I can instantly name dozens of popular sports where the world's top athletes are almost all men, yet I had to think a bit before being able to name even a single popular sport dominated by women.

Ultimately, I came up with a few sports that I at least believe that they are dominated by women. But every one of them turned out to be a sport that is to some extent about looking graceful, where the scores are not determined by objective, measureable facts, but by judges giving subjective scores (aerobics, synchronous swimming, dancing etc.). Sports that hardly any man is even interested in.



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VGPolyglot said:
ArnoldRimmer said:

You somehow did not really comment on the other issues I brought up?

So, what about professional sports? How do you solve the obvious issue that allowing transgender people born as men would give them an unfair advantage in most sports if they could simply choose which gender they play for? How do you fight the obvious potential for abuse that a man could simply claim to be a transgender in order to play for the women's team in professional sports? Or, if completely eliminating gender segration as you suggest, it would obviously be illegal to have female leagues in sports, there could only be unisex leagues - which would in practice result in women more or less being excluded from professional sports. Is that such a good idea?

And what about changing rooms and shower rooms in swimming pools, gyms etc.? If the girls are hot, I'm sure most men wouldn't mind freely choosing the changing and shower rooms - or having unisex changing and shower rooms as a necessary result of eleliminating all gender segregation. But I severely doubt most women would be happy about that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INj6HPuKJnk

Well, I'd support unisex leagues too. And as I said, I'd generally be fine with unisex change rooms, but sexism is still a big problem in our societies so it is not feasible at the moment.

So you support having no professional female athletes in that league ever?



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SpokenTruth said:
kljesta64 said:

that was the law back then and has nothing to do with open mindedness.

That's actually rarely been because of a law allowing it but rather lack of law preventing it.   And you think a lack of an open mind has little to do with race, religion, culture, ethnic, sex, gender, etc...violence and death?

yes because i believe that even 2000 years ago people were as open minded as they are now.



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Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Women have physical disadvantages and advantages, so some sports would result in women doing better probably, and others would result in them being worse. At least giving them a chance would be better then only being able to particpate in sports which are largely overshadowed by the male counterparts.

Is it not the opposite though? Their chances of participating in women only sports are significantly higher than in unisex sports. Furthermore while the mens version of sports typically is the more popular that doesn't mean that the womens version can't grow, so that's another chance you'd be taking away from them. Then there's the fact that the best players are typically the most succesful and well known. While the stars in many womens sports may not be as well known and succesful as their male counterparts they do still achieve success and fame. In many sports that would be very difficult if not impossible for them to actually be the best at it. So yet another chance that they would lose.

And out of interest, do you have any example of sports that women have a physical advantage in?

OK, it was some studies that I saw saying that women had a higher pain tolerance and a quicker reaction time, but now doing some more research I've come across conflicting reports, so I don't know which is true.



outlawauron said:
VGPolyglot said:

Well, I'd support unisex leagues too. And as I said, I'd generally be fine with unisex change rooms, but sexism is still a big problem in our societies so it is not feasible at the moment.

So you support having no professional female athletes in that league ever?

Well, this is getting slightly off-topic, but the hypothetical society I was referring to where there is almost no sexism would have to be vastly different from this one. I support a system without currency, so there wouldn't be such a thing as professionals in the modern sense.



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Have a dick? Go in the men's room.
No dick? Go in the women's.
Have a dick but gee golly you really feel like you shouldn't? Well until it's removed, use the restroom for people with a penis. Same goes for those with no penisbut really really feel like God made them wrong. Use the girls room until you get that pecker.

Seems extremely simple. I'll never understand the need to make so many uncomfortable to appease so few.



LudicrousSpeed said:
Have a dick? Go in the men's room.
No dick? Go in the women's.
Have a dick but gee golly you really feel like you shouldn't? Well until it's removed, use the restroom for people with a penis. Same goes for those with no penisbut really really feel like God made them wrong. Use the girls room until you get that pecker.

Seems extremely simple. I'll never understand the need to make so many uncomfortable to appease so few.

This is talking about schools, though. The age in the U.S. needed to get surgery is 18, so even if they wanted to get the surgery they couldn't:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/722004_2

Even concering adults, it is still very expensive, meaning that many people who would want to have surgery financially cannot do it:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/31/health/transgender-costs-irpt/



I personally just think it should be if you look like a dude, use the men's bathroom.

If you look like a woman, use the woman's bathroom.

I don't even see why this is "less traditional". If a young boy sees someone who basically looks like a woman come into the men's bathroom, isn't that also going to be confusing for them?



People are really pushing things too far.

So call me whatever you want.

You were born a man, therefore you are a man. Same goes if you were born a woman.

Simply put, I think people are insecure and arrogant. Transgender as a whole, is too much. Why someone has to go all the way to alter something already set in stone is beyond me. Not to mention changing birth cerfticates. If this isn't related to self esteem issues then I have no idea why. 

There are things you cannot change. You just have to accept it. Now I'm not talking about homosexuality. That's a different tangent.



Ka-pi96 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

You mean bathrooms are seperated by sex. Gender is all about identity, sex is about the biology.

I grew up learning them as meaning the exact same thing and just because some peoples definitions may have changed doesn't mean mine ever will.

I'm not making a statement here, but gender is commonly defined to be much more broad then sex and includes societal views of the characteristics of the masculine, feminine and in between along with identity.