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Goatseye said:
Recep Tayyip Erdoğan: 'We know Dutch from Srebrenica massacre'

The Nethetlands should mention the Armenian genocide for fun like the Germans did. Sure they where responsible for the Holocaust buy they don't deny it happened. Nor does the Netherlands claim to not have fucked up that mission by doing nothing. Kind of a shame that Turkey doesn't know The Netherlands does invest 20 billion dollar in that country every year. A trade sanction would hit them hard.



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Turkish said:
Goatseye said:

Netherlands is sovereign enough to be respected when they ask Turkey not to hold political rallies in the country. Especially, days before national election.

Why would they even ask that? Dont they believe in free speech? I thought Netherlands was a democracy, or does it only apply to them and their friends. There have been rallies elsewhere in Europe and they happened without any problems, also many times in the past.

Johnw1104 said:

So has it been conclusively determined that the military did indeed attempt a coup? I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist but the attempt was simultaneously so weak and so convenient for Erdogan (allowing him to clean house, install his own supporters, and greatly expand his authority) that I can't help but be rather suspicious.

The military was essentially charged with preventing autocracy and has done so numerous times so it certainly isn't out of the question that they attempted to again, but Erdogan would likewise have known that he'd eventually have to deal with them for precisely this reason. That man's behavior has suggested for years that he's a not-very-closeted autocrat at heart.

The military didn't support the coup, only a tiny fraction, which was controlled by Gulenists who have their own plans and agenda for the country.

1- Because it's their country and Turkey political campaigns shouldn't be held when Netherlands is preparing for election day.

2- A democracy means that when anarchists forces try to disturb the rule of the law, they're properly dealt with. Before any group tries to assemble for a demonstration in any part of Western civilization, they normaly get local government permission to do so, especially, the ones that "happens with no problems".



Turkish said:
Goatseye said:

Netherlands is sovereign enough to be respected when they ask Turkey not to hold political rallies in the country. Especially, days before national election.

Why would they even ask that? Dont they believe in free speech? I thought Netherlands was a democracy, or does it only apply to them and their friends. There have been rallies elsewhere in Europe and they happened without any problems, also many times in the past.

Johnw1104 said:

So has it been conclusively determined that the military did indeed attempt a coup? I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist but the attempt was simultaneously so weak and so convenient for Erdogan (allowing him to clean house, install his own supporters, and greatly expand his authority) that I can't help but be rather suspicious.

The military was essentially charged with preventing autocracy and has done so numerous times so it certainly isn't out of the question that they attempted to again, but Erdogan would likewise have known that he'd eventually have to deal with them for precisely this reason. That man's behavior has suggested for years that he's a not-very-closeted autocrat at heart.

The military didn't support the coup, only a tiny fraction, which was controlled by Gulenists who have their own plans and agenda for the country.

The Netherlands has the right to prevent hate spreading by foreign parties like hate imams bt bsnning them. Turkey also has a law against campaigning in foreign countries. Considering they called the Germans Nazi's and facists a week before  and they speak ill of Europe  for a lot longer the Netherlands has a valid point for not wanting them here. So yes the Netherlands is democracy us only for its friends you know what isn't the internet, except in countries as Turkey where media that doesn't agree with Erdogan is banned as is the Dutch ambassador btw.



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Turkish said:
Goatseye said:

Netherlands is sovereign enough to be respected when they ask Turkey not to hold political rallies in the country. Especially, days before national election.

Why would they even ask that? Dont they believe in free speech? I thought Netherlands was a democracy, or does it only apply to them and their friends. There have been rallies elsewhere in Europe and they happened without any problems, also many times in the past.

The concept of sovreignity implies that foreign political enities do not influence the democratic process.

 

The desire to keep dutch elections to the dutch is not against democracy.

 

The dutch will not send people to Turkey to hold political rallies the week before elections.



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Goatseye said:
Turkish said:

Why would they even ask that? Dont they believe in free speech? I thought Netherlands was a democracy, or does it only apply to them and their friends. There have been rallies elsewhere in Europe and they happened without any problems, also many times in the past.

The military didn't support the coup, only a tiny fraction, which was controlled by Gulenists who have their own plans and agenda for the country.

1- Because it's their country and Turkey political campaigns shouldn't be held when Netherlands is preparing for election day.

2- A democracy means that when anarchists forces try to disturb the rule of the law, they're properly dealt with. Before any group tries to assemble for a demonstration in any part of Western civilization, they normaly get local government permission to do so, especially, the ones that "happens with no problems".

So, I assume that you opposed Martin Luther King Jr.'s civil disobedience, did you?



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Turkish said:

So freedom of speech is dead in Europe, Pegida can hold rallies but a Nato ally has its diplomats blocked from entering the country. Netherlands and the other states did something very wrong and inexcusable.

LadyJasmine said:
Radical Islam has cursed Turkey to demise

Girl I invite you to Turkey, you will see it's still the same ole Turkey, hospitable, friendly people and culture, also nice weather

Shouldn't you be outraged that the turkish government is acting against the turkish law that prohibits campaigning outside of Turkey?

I guess the law doesn't matter in Erdoganistan anymore.



Lafiel said:
Turkish said:

So freedom of speech is dead in Europe, Pegida can hold rallies but a Nato ally has its diplomats blocked from entering the country. Netherlands and the other states did something very wrong and inexcusable.

Girl I invite you to Turkey, you will see it's still the same ole Turkey, hospitable, friendly people and culture, also nice weather

Shouldn't you be outraged that the turkish government is acting against the turkish law that prohibits campaigning outside of Turkey?

I guess the law doesn't matter in Erdoganistan anymore.

Of course not if a law, a vision or anything else doesn't suit Erdogan he either bans it or locks it up. The law forms no exception, facts like Sebrenica and the Armenian genocide ban and change them to suit Erdogan's needs and thrust me on April 16th he will be the new great dictator of Turkey.



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VGPolyglot said:
Goatseye said:

1- Because it's their country and Turkey political campaigns shouldn't be held when Netherlands is preparing for election day.

2- A democracy means that when anarchists forces try to disturb the rule of the law, they're properly dealt with. Before any group tries to assemble for a demonstration in any part of Western civilization, they normaly get local government permission to do so, especially, the ones that "happens with no problems".

So, I assume that you opposed Martin Luther King Jr.'s civil disobedience, did you?

I oppose fake democracy (a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives).

 Also, First Amendment protects the right to conduct a peaceful public assembly.

Additionally, you can't play devil's advocate here when Erdogan and his ministers are probably not covered by NL's constitution when it comes to rights like these.



Goatseye said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, I assume that you opposed Martin Luther King Jr.'s civil disobedience, did you?

I oppose fake democracy (a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives).

 Also, First Amendment protects the right to conduct a peaceful public assembly.

Additionally, you can't play devil's advocate here when Erdogan and his ministers are probably not covered by NL's constitution when it comes to rights like these.

I oppose representative democracy too in a favour of direct democracy, but I want attempting to defend Erdogan. You decided to bring up anarchists for some bizarre reason.



VGPolyglot said:

I oppose representative democracy too in a favour of direct democracy, but I want attempting to defend Erdogan. You decided to bring up anarchists for some bizarre reason.

democracy in itself is a fragile system and direct democracy feels even more exploitable to me