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Forums - Nintendo - ARM "leaks" that the Switch is using 4x A57 cores on FB, but removes the post to avoid confusion

Drakrami said:
Remember the days when people were stating NX is more powerful than ps4?

I remember the days of 2015 that this forum were taken by NX speculations.



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Its based on another rumour, so this is 100% inaccurate.



34 years playing games.

 

Okay... this is confirmed then, a customized Tegra X1. RIP



bonzobanana said:
fleischr said:
ARM's president previously went on record that mobile chips as powerful as PS4/X1 would hit the market in 2017. Did we take that seriously?

Meanwhile - this is probably some errant post by a social media manager. The link it doesn't go back to nVidia, Nintendo, IDC, or other professional source which is likely why it is not confirmed accurate and was removed.

If ARM is talking about their CPU's rather than other companies GPU's then that is pretty easy to achieve. Their Mali gpu chips are not competitive in performance and for lower end devices so I'm sure he didn't mean that.  

For GPUs, yeah he really meant that.

http://venturebeat.com/2016/02/16/mobile-devices-will-be-more-powerful-than-playstation-4-xbox-one-in-2017-arm-forecasts/

He mentions nVidia...

Not saying he's right - but all things considered when Tegra X1 launched in 2015 it was significantly better than 360/PS3 in terms of raw GPU performance.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016

What do CPU and these other things mean? I mean, I know what a CPU is, but what does a weak CPU mean in practice?



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arthurchan35 said:
Okay... this is confirmed then, a customized Tegra X1. RIP

Actually it doesn't mean anything. Both X1 and P1 use A57. Whether or not they are the modified Denver cores is what counts and ARM wouldn't know that information, since it is nVidia that did the modifications.

Plus also pointed out in the video in the original post the Facebook "leak" was a link to a speculation piece based off of a speculation piece and not a direct up announcment from ARM. It just seems the social media manager(s) at ARM got a hit on an article that talked about ARM and decided to post it.



BlkPaladin said:
arthurchan35 said:
Okay... this is confirmed then, a customized Tegra X1. RIP

Actually it doesn't mean anything. Both X1 and P1 use A57. Whether or not they are the modified Denver cores is what counts and ARM wouldn't know that information, since it is nVidia that did the modifications.

Plus also pointed out in the video in the original post the Facebook "leak" was a link to a speculation piece based off of a speculation piece and not a direct up announcment from ARM. It just seems the social media manager(s) at ARM got a hit on an article that talked about ARM and decided to post it.

No Denver cores in X1

http://www.greenbot.com/article/2879437/everything-you-need-to-know-about-nvidias-new-tegra-x1-chip.html

It's just meant to be 4 Arm A57's at 1ghz, the big cpu's of the big/little arrangement of a standard X1 but they are only running at 1ghz.

This was announced at some developers meeting about the Switch that was leaked to eurogamer and the Arm leak reinforces that as the likely cpu arrangement although the hz speed wasn't mentioned.

I think it's highly unlikely this is incorrect. 

Looking forward to reading a teardown of a Switch, I think 2GB memory is still a possibility despite 4GB being more likely according to the rumours.



arthurchan35 said:
Okay... this is confirmed then, a customized Tegra X1. RIP

Why "RIP"?

 

Flilix said:
What do CPU and these other things mean? I mean, I know what a CPU is, but what does a weak CPU mean in practice?

A system's CPU is typically responsible for processing tasks such as game logic, AI, animation, physics, etc.

Having a weaker CPU means a system will be less capable of running games that push loads of characters at once, complex physics, etc.



linkhouse said:
fatslob-:O said:
This is pretty much Tegra X1, I didn't see ARM claiming that the Switch had 2x Denver2 cores with 4x Cortex A57 cores ...

The Switch features the Maxwell microarchitecture ...

2x Denver2 cores are nVidia chips.

Fatslob is the last person you need to remind them of that.

SmileyAja said:
JRPGfan said:

Its got a weaker CPU than the PS4 or XB1, does it matter by how much?

It would have a weaker CPU than the PS4 but not by a lot if it used a quad core combination of A57s, the CPU wouldn't be a serious issue or bottleneck to developers. But check post update, A72's are back on the table.


The thing with the PS4 is that, although on a per-core basis it is roughly equal/maybe even slightly worse performing than the A57 on a Core to Core + Clock for clock basis... The Playstation 4 gets away with the fact it simply has more cores to play with.

But with the A57 clocked at 1ghz, no doubt in my mind that a 1.6ghz Jaguar Core can soundly beat it.

JRPGfan said:

IPC (instructions pr clock) are in the same neighborhood performance wise (supposedly).

With half the cores, and half the clock speeds, your looking at something like 1/4th the CPU power.

Maybe its more than that? closer to half the performance of the PS4/XB1 in terms of CPU.

Its still weak though.

Jaguar should be a little worse in IPC.

fleischr said:

For GPUs, yeah he really meant that.

http://venturebeat.com/2016/02/16/mobile-devices-will-be-more-powerful-than-playstation-4-xbox-one-in-2017-arm-forecasts/

He mentions nVidia...

Not saying he's right - but all things considered when Tegra X1 launched in 2015 it was significantly better than 360/PS3 in terms of raw GPU performance.

Volta based Tegra should be competitive with the Xbox One.

Flilix said:
What do CPU and these other things mean? I mean, I know what a CPU is, but what does a weak CPU mean in practice?

The most visible things would be...
less complex and sophisticated Artificial Intelligence.
It means less CPU-based Physics calculations. (Think cloth or leaves waving in the wind.)
It makes CPU driven effects such as Anti-aliasing, less likely. (Nintendo is allergic to using Anti-Aliasing anyway.)

There is a ton more to it though.




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Pemalite said:

 (Nintendo is allergic to using Anti-Aliasing anyway.)

I know right, it was weird enough on Wii U, but to see games like Splatoon 2 and Mario Kart 8 Deluxe still having no AA on Switch, even when docked, is just bizarre.