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Peh said:
Lawlight said:

So, the last time people were killed due to Christianity was in 2015? 

Who knows.

This was last year:

http://www.inquisitr.com/3596874/fbi-arrests-three-right-wing-militants-planning-terrorist-attack-on-muslims-in-kansas-members-boasted-they-would-shoot-even-a-one-year-old/

But this contradicts your argument: "Why is it very rare? because usually chrisitans dont do bad things in the name of their religion."

Actual atacks show its rare, you contradicted nothing.

99.5 scuicide attacks are muslim.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/08/77-of-terror-plots-are-motivated-by-islamic-jihad-doctrine

77% of terror plots are motivated by Islamic jihad (i think this refers as to US only)

The majority of the 148 plots were motivated by Caliphate doctrine, a term for the ideology of Islamist groups such as al Qaeda, Major told the Washington Free Beacon.

Citing research from his institution, Major noted “114 plots or 77 percent of them are self-identified Caliphate plots,” and “about 20 percent” are groups such as “neo-Nazis, anarchists, the anti-government group

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/08/77-of-terror-plots-are-motivated-by-islamic-jihad-doctrine



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Scoobes said:
Egelo said:

 this streight from their crazy book

QURAN - 23:5,6

"...who restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave girls, for these are lawful to them..." 

QURAN - 4:24

"And all married women are forbidden unto you save those captives whom your right hand possess. It is a decree of Allah for you. (Muhammad Pickthall's English translation of the Quran).      

 QURAN - 33:50

"Prophet, We have made lawful to you the wives whom you have granted dowries and the slave girls whom God has given you as booty;..."

 

Quite open about fucking their slaves, streight from Mo and his buddy allacha.  

Those passages aren't exactly unique in their content when compared to the texts of the other Abrahamic religions. 

By that same logic slave owners were only following the true interpretations of the Bible and Torah?

Nice spin.

Were tlaking isis just following mohhameds lead, what does that have to do with what you said ? 



Egelo said:
Scoobes said:

Those passages aren't exactly unique in their content when compared to the texts of the other Abrahamic religions. 

By that same logic slave owners were only following the true interpretations of the Bible and Torah?

Nice spin.

Were tlaking isis just following mohhameds lead, what does that have to do with what you said ? 

Isis are the same with Clue clue clan and Israel, all of them are extremist and trorist, and also compared to other religion Isis are a puppet of another big teroriz USA CIA and Mossads. So yeah your claim are moot. Oh yeah dont forget the one who start first wolrd war, second world war, Colonialisme are not Islam LOLLOLOLO.



Egelo said:
Scoobes said:

Those passages aren't exactly unique in their content when compared to the texts of the other Abrahamic religions. 

By that same logic slave owners were only following the true interpretations of the Bible and Torah?

Nice spin.

Were tlaking isis just following mohhameds lead, what does that have to do with what you said ? 

Not spin, just trying to understand your logic. You original post you stated "Tehy are following the truest most authentic version of islam. " and I'm trying to understand why you think this is the most authentic interpretation of Islam when I know many muslims who would disagree.

The content you posted is found in some form in all texts from Abrahamic religions, so following your logic that would mean only people who owned slaves were following a true and authentic interpretatoin of the Bible or Torah. 

And by that logic, very few really follow the true and authentic version of their religion. 



Peh said:
JRPGfan said:

Yes if you go back like 500-1000 years in time.

Things are differnt now.

Im talking about the present, not the past.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism                               

Contemporary American Christian terrorism can be motivated by a violent desire to implement a Reconstructionist or Dominionist ideology.[103] Dominion Theology insists that Christians are called by God to (re)build society on Christian values to subjugate the earth and establish dominion over all things, as a pre-requisite for the second coming of Christ.[104] Political violence motivated by dominion theology is a violent extension of the desire to impose a select version of Christianity on other Christians, as well as on non-Christians.

After 1981, members of groups such as the Army of God began attacking abortion clinics and doctors across the United States.[105][106][107] A number of terrorist attacks were attributed by Bruce Hoffman to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ.[108] A group called Concerned Christians was deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999; they believed that their deaths would "lead them to heaven".[109][110]

Eric Robert Rudolph carried out the Centennial Olympic Park bombing in 1996, as well as subsequent attacks on an abortion clinic and a lesbian nightclub. Michael Barkun, a professor at Syracuse University, considers Rudolph to likely fit the definition of a Christian terrorist. James A. Aho, a professor at Idaho State University, argues that religious considerations inspired Rudolph only in part.[111]

Terrorism scholar Aref M. Al-Khattar has listed The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord (CSA), Defensive Action, the Montana Freemen, and some "Christian militia" as groups that "can be placed under the category of far-right-wing terrorism" that "has a religious (Christian) component".[112]

In 1996 three men—Charles Barbee, Robert Berry and Jay Merelle—were charged with two bank robberies and bombings at the banks, a Spokane newspaper, and a Planned Parenthood office in Washington State. The men were anti-Semitic Christian Identity theorists who believed that God wanted them to carry out violent attacks and that such attacks would hasten the ascendancy of the Aryan race.[113]

In 2011, analyst Daryl Johnson of the United States Department of Homeland Security said that the Hutaree Christian militia movement possessed more weapons than the combined weapons holdings of all Islamic terror defendants charged in the US since the September 11 attacks.[114]

In 2015, Robert Doggart, a 63 year old mechanical engineer, was indicted for solicitation to commit a civil rights violation by intending to damage or destroy religious property after communicating that he intended to amass weapons to attack a Muslim enclave in Delaware County, New York.[115] Doggart, a member of several private militia groups, communicated to an FBI source in a phone call that he had an M4 carbine with "500 rounds of ammunition" that he intended to take to the Delaware County enclave, along with a handgun, molotov cocktails and a machete. The FBI source recorded him saying "if it gets down to the machete, we will cut them to shreds."[116] Doggart had previously travelled to a site in Dover, Tennessee described in chain emails as a "jihadist training camp", and found that the claims were wrong. Doggart pleaded guilty in an April plea bargain stating he had “willfully and knowingly sent a message in interstate commerce containing a true threat” to injure someone. The plea bargain was struck down by a judge because it did not contain enough facts to constitute a true threat.[117][118] Doggart stood as an independent candidate in Tennessee's 4th congressional district, losing with 6.4% of the vote.[119] None of the charges against him are terrorism related.[120][121][122][123]

The November 2015 Colorado Springs Planned Parenthood shooting, in which three were killed and nine injured, was described as "a form of terrorism" by Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper.[124] The gunman, Robert Lewis Dear, was described as a "delusional" man[125] who had written on a cannabis internet forum that "sinners" would "burn in hell" during the end times, and had also written about smoking marijuana and propositioned women for sex.[126][127] He had praised the Army of God, saying that attacks on abortion clinics are "God's work."[128] Deer's ex-wife said he had put glue on a lock of a Planned Parenthood clinic, and in court documents for their divorce she said "He claims to be a Christian and is extremely evangelistic, but does not follow the Bible in his actions. He says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. He is obsessed with the world coming to an end."

This is just a very tiny part, I could provide more if you like

http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/the_10_worst_examples_of_christian_or_far_right_terrorism_partner/

Maybe the christians who yell at gay people are something you are ok with. Dunno what your standards are.

I think we've had this exact discussion, but a single incident of terrorism (planned parenthood shootings) in 20 years isn't a real strong argument. Not sure how you can try make equilvalences between this and organizations like ISIS.



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Peh said:
Lawlight said:

So, the last time people were killed due to Christianity was in 2015? 

Who knows.

This was last year:

http://www.inquisitr.com/3596874/fbi-arrests-three-right-wing-militants-planning-terrorist-attack-on-muslims-in-kansas-members-boasted-they-would-shoot-even-a-one-year-old/

But this contradicts your argument: "Why is it very rare? because usually chrisitans dont do bad things in the name of their religion."

This was never my argument - you're confusing me with someone else. Also, that article you posted make no mention of Christinanity. In any case, we have 3 people killed by Christians in however many years. How many were killed by Islamist just last year?



Peh said:
Aura7541 said:

Yeah... and the amount of Islamic terrorism absolutely dwarfs Christianity-motivated terrorism...

1. This was not the original statement by Egelo.

2. Is christian terrorism really insignificant in comparision to ISIS or whatever these asshole call themselves? Both religions have their black sheeps. Does it mean Islam is more evil than Christianity? How many moslems are actuall terrorists who commit terroristic acts? Just to give you a hint, this whole crap started with the abrahamic religion. Islam is still based on the Jews religion.

Yes. Both religions have their black sheeps, but one definitely has significantly more than the other. As a matter of fact, Islamic terrorism makes up the vast majority of terrorism in the world. Don't believe me? According to the Global Terrorism Index 2016, "In 2015 four groups were responsible for 74 per cent of all deaths from terrorism: ISIL, Boko Haram, the Taliban and al-Qa’ida."

Your second question is a strawman fallacy nor is it relevent to the discussion. Even if Christianity is "more evil", the followers of one religion has done way more terrorism than the other religion. That's what matters. Same applies to your third question. Islamic terrorism representing 74% of all deaths from terrorism is a gross overrepresentation. Your questions miss the point entirely.

Your last two sentences also miss the point. Not all religions are equal, even the Abrahamic religions. Christianity has gone through reforms centuries ago with The Renaissance and Protestant Reformation. Islam hasn't gone through something like that. The best example I can come up with is the Ataturk, but already, we're seeing Turkey regress to Islamic fundamentalism. In addition, Jesus and Muhammed are not identical role models. Not even close, especially when one researches what Muhammed has done later in his life.



Aura7541 said:
Peh said:

1. This was not the original statement by Egelo.

2. Is christian terrorism really insignificant in comparision to ISIS or whatever these asshole call themselves? Both religions have their black sheeps. Does it mean Islam is more evil than Christianity? How many moslems are actuall terrorists who commit terroristic acts? Just to give you a hint, this whole crap started with the abrahamic religion. Islam is still based on the Jews religion.

Yes. Both religions have their black sheeps, but one definitely has significantly more than the other. As a matter of fact, Islamic terrorism makes up the vast majority of terrorism in the world. Don't believe me? According to the Global Terrorism Index 2016, "In 2015 four groups were responsible for 74 per cent of all deaths from terrorism: ISIL, Boko Haram, the Taliban and al-Qa’ida."

Your second question is a strawman fallacy nor is it relevent to the discussion. Even if Christianity is "more evil", the followers of one religion has done way more terrorism than the other religion. That's what matters. Same applies to your third question. Islamic terrorism representing 74% of all deaths from terrorism is a gross overrepresentation. Your questions miss the point entirely.

Your last two sentences also miss the point. Not all religions are equal, even the Abrahamic religions. Christianity has gone through reforms centuries ago with The Renaissance and Protestant Reformation. Islam hasn't gone through something like that. The best example I can come up with is the Ataturk, but already, we're seeing Turkey regress to Islamic fundamentalism. In addition, Jesus and Muhammed are not identical role models. Not even close, especially when one researches what Muhammed has done later in his life.

Yet you are forget to put Israel war casualties as the bigest teroris in the world and also Hitler on second world war and also , compared to the terorist casulaties, is like 0,1% dead compared to other on first world war