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Still think Switch has poor support?

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I hope they do have something for E3 I think many retailers may have discontinued selling the Switch by that point if it nosedives. I don't think Nintendo have done enough to keep momentum going directly after launch so over 3 months later may be difficult to keep tills ringing.



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torok said:

The lineup is weak at best. Nintendo has to up their game, it's clear that they rushed up the console to replace the Wii U. The launch month is extremely weak. Hell, PS4 has more noteworthy software arriving that month and it's just a normal month for it.

Most software there will launch or is already on PS4/X1. There are some old games and old indies. Way too much weak titles. The good games of 2017 are Zelda, Mario, Splatton 2, Mario Kart, Xenoblade and maybe a Pokémon. The first 2 are new games, the next 2 are basically remasters, Xenoblade is a niche title and Pokémon is not confirmed.

They better have a great E3 lineup (I believe they will) or the Holidays will be a total onslaught.

This is clearly a soft launch.

As if PS4 had such a good launch in terms of software. Most games back then were also available on the PS3/XBOX360. How do you even know a game like Arms won't be good?And so what if Xenoblade is a niche title? So is Gravity Rush 2 or The Last Guardian. You also forgot about Fire Emblem Warriors. 

Old indies? The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth + will release first on the Switch and only later on PS4/X1. Fast RMX is also releasing in March at 1080p and 60fps with over 30 race tracks and is exclusive on the Switch. Rime will release in May, alongside the PS4/X1 versions. Shovel Knight is releasing alongside the new campaign DLC update (Specter of Torment). And Yooka-Laylee is also releasing in 2017. Sonic Mania is also releasing in the Spring, alongside the other versions. Lot's of people are hyped about it. Syberia III will also release on the Switch alongside the other versions. And the best thing about all of these games is that they will be portable on the Switch, which is a big advantage compared to the PS4/X1. I'm sure all of these games will also get high scores, so it's not like they're low in quality either. They're also quite varied in terms of genre: a roguelike game, a racer, two adventure games, two 2D platformers and a 3D platformer. 

And there are other cool games coming to the Switch that are exclusive (at least for now) like Project Octopath Traveler.



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superchunk said:

E3 will be interesting this year as it will definitely spell out NS for at least 2017 and 2018. Next years E3 will be the final say in what to expect NS to continually recieve through its life.

I agree.  E3 2017 and 2018, and the size of the install base after holiday 2018 will give us the complete Switch picture.  We'll have a good idea by this time next year though, once we see 2017 holiday sales.  



mountaindewslave said:
DélioPT said:
I didn't count, but i would bet that around half of those games are Indie games. Games that, even if great, will not sell the console or be exclusive to Switch - ok, some might.

And in regards to exclusives, after Splatoon 2, all Switch has is Xenoblade 2 and Mario.
Xenoblade might be a revered IP but it doesn't seem to be a system seller.
Personally, i believe Pokémon Stars will make it's debut on Switch around the Holidays.

E3 will provide a better picture on how Switch will be supported this year and especially the next.

Nintendo HAS to have some unannounced games coming out this year or otherwise it will be a pretty weak season. I think what people need to keep in mind is that the Wii U had very little release the last year or two, so naturally consumers fairly should expect that Nintendo was pushing stuff off the Switch

the concept that they might only have one big summer game (and I don't really consider it 'big', since Splatoon 2 is clearly just a slightly added on Splatoon) and one big winter game (Mario) would be insane given the amount of time they've had

hopefully the big N has some serious plans for E3 and/or are just playing it safe at the moment and don't want to announce a bunch of titles that don't have confirmed release windows and may or may not make this year 

I wouldn't expect more than 2 games: one for the Summer and another for the holidays (Pokemon).

I wouldn't trust Splatoon 2 just being Splatoon 1.5.
We haven't seen pretty much anything of the game: what have they added to the MP? How is the single-player? No one really knows.

My guess is that E3 will be all about 2018 (not that they will reveal all 2018 projects) and one or two projects for 2019.



Alkibiádēs said:

As if PS4 had such a good launch in terms of software. Most games back then were also available on the PS3/XBOX360. How do you even know a game like Arms won't be good?And so what if Xenoblade is a niche title? So is Gravity Rush 2 or The Last Guardian. You also forgot about Fire Emblem Warriors. 

Old indies? The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth + will release first on the Switch and only later on PS4/X1. Fast RMX is also releasing in March at 1080p and 60fps with over 30 race tracks and is exclusive on the Switch. Rime will release in May, alongside the PS4/X1 versions. Shovel Knight is releasing alongside the new campaign DLC update (Specter of Torment). And Yooka-Laylee is also releasing in 2017. Sonic Mania is also releasing in the Spring, alongside the other versions. Lot's of people are hyped about it. Syberia III will also release on the Switch alongside the other versions. And the best thing about all of these games is that they will be portable on the Switch, which is a big advantage compared to the PS4/X1. I'm sure all of these games will also get high scores, so it's not like they're low in quality either. They're also quite varied in terms of genre: a roguelike game, a racer, two adventure games, two 2D platformers and a 3D platformer. 

And there are other cool games coming to the Switch that are exclusive (at least for now) like Project Octopath Traveler.

You have to see that those games aren't bad, but being niche does matter. Shovel Knight, Binding of Isaac and company have specific publics. Xenoblade is a million seller at best. We have some 3rd parties, but they are also on PS4/X1. The quality is irrelevant because they won't sell gangbusters. Fast RMX? Nobody know this game. Syberia III? I'm a videogame forum member and I'm right now asking myself where were Syberia I and II.

PS4 launched with CoD, Battlefied, Assassin's Creed, Fifa and Madden. Being in PS360 surely was a downside, but those are huge sellers. It's unfortunate, but at least 3 of these sell more yearly than the entire launch lineup of Switch may sell during their lifetime (Zelda included). So these ones will grab the big public.

People were saying that PS4 and X1 had no games, but they got a massive push in their first year. It even got GTA V.



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RolStoppable said:
DanneSandin said:
Looks like the Switch is actually getting quite a few games, which is really nice to see! Sad to see Nintendo's total mishandling of this fact!

How did Nintendo mishandle this? At the presentation they announced that more than 80 games are in development for Switch and they showed footage for a good number of games.

Nintendo can't do anything about gaming forums jumping to wrong conclusions. When someone like you says things like Zelda and Mario Kart don't count for much in the launch window, how is any of this Nintendo's fault? You only have yourself to blame for buying into the wrong narrative that is being pushed hard by other forum members.

A simple example of this is the claim that Switch won't get third party support. You are prone to buy into such a narrative, because you aren't interested in fact-checking. But if you actually took an honest look at the big picture, you'd quickly notice that people aren't talking about third party support despite using that term. What they always mean is AAA support, but they don't use that term because that would still leave Nintendo with a lot of third party support and that would contradict the overall narrative of "Nintendo messed up again". In reality, Switch is set up to absorb the software pipelines of Wii U, 3DS and Vita. Meanwhile, the PS4 and XB1 won't get the third party support that has been home at handhelds; these two consoles are going to lose out on a lot of RPGs.

I mentioned this earlier, but I'm curious what you think will happen. Right now, the PS4 is missing out on little to nothing, because almost every notable Vita game is a PS4/Vita title. Once the Vita is phased out in the next year or so, will they remain as PS4 titles? Go to PS4/Switch? End up as Switch only titles?



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torok said:
Alkibiádēs said:

As if PS4 had such a good launch in terms of software. Most games back then were also available on the PS3/XBOX360. How do you even know a game like Arms won't be good?And so what if Xenoblade is a niche title? So is Gravity Rush 2 or The Last Guardian. You also forgot about Fire Emblem Warriors. 

Old indies? The Binding of Isaac: Afterbirth + will release first on the Switch and only later on PS4/X1. Fast RMX is also releasing in March at 1080p and 60fps with over 30 race tracks and is exclusive on the Switch. Rime will release in May, alongside the PS4/X1 versions. Shovel Knight is releasing alongside the new campaign DLC update (Specter of Torment). And Yooka-Laylee is also releasing in 2017. Sonic Mania is also releasing in the Spring, alongside the other versions. Lot's of people are hyped about it. Syberia III will also release on the Switch alongside the other versions. And the best thing about all of these games is that they will be portable on the Switch, which is a big advantage compared to the PS4/X1. I'm sure all of these games will also get high scores, so it's not like they're low in quality either. They're also quite varied in terms of genre: a roguelike game, a racer, two adventure games, two 2D platformers and a 3D platformer. 

And there are other cool games coming to the Switch that are exclusive (at least for now) like Project Octopath Traveler.

You have to see that those games aren't bad, but being niche does matter. Shovel Knight, Binding of Isaac and company have specific publics. Xenoblade is a million seller at best. We have some 3rd parties, but they are also on PS4/X1. The quality is irrelevant because they won't sell gangbusters. Fast RMX? Nobody know this game. Syberia III? I'm a videogame forum member and I'm right now asking myself where were Syberia I and II.

PS4 launched with CoD, Battlefied, Assassin's Creed, Fifa and Madden. Being in PS360 surely was a downside, but those are huge sellers. It's unfortunate, but at least 3 of these sell more yearly than the entire launch lineup of Switch may sell during their lifetime (Zelda included). So these ones will grab the big public.

People were saying that PS4 and X1 had no games, but they got a massive push in their first year. It even got GTA V.

Wii U had Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, FIFA & Madden day 1 as well and they did absolutely nothing for Wii U. It doesn't matter how many games a system has if those games don't appeal to the audience that is interested in that device or if people would rather play those games elsewhere.

Thats why we are seeing a pretty solid amount of Japanese, indie & kid/family software releasing throughout the year for Switch, because these are the type of games which had success on 3DS/Wii U so their chances of success on Switch are significantly higher than mainstream western titles.

Mainstream western games really havent done well on Nintendo platforms in recent history, that doesnt mean Nintendo should go out of their way to shun them but at the same time they shouldnt go out of their way to appease them.



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Not bad, but not great either. If Ninten has no delays, it could actually be a very good time for the 1st year, looking at you,Xenoblade 2.



 

              

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zorg1000 said:

Wii U had Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, FIFA & Madden day 1 as well and they did absolutely nothing for Wii U. It doesn't matter how many games a system has if those games don't appeal to the audience that is interested in that device or if people would rather play those games elsewhere.

Thats why we are seeing a pretty solid amount of Japanese, indie & kid/family software releasing throughout the year for Switch, because these are the type of games which had success on 3DS/Wii U so their chances of success on Switch are significantly higher than mainstream western titles.

Mainstream western games really havent done well on Nintendo platforms in recent history, that doesnt mean Nintendo should go out of their way to shun them but at the same time they shouldnt go out of their way to appease them.

Because the public that likes these games also wants to play Battlefield, GTA and others. It simply made more sense to get a PS4 or X1. Why would you get a console that plays only 10% of 3rd party games if that's what you like? Mainstream western games haven't sold on Nintendo platforms because they got only a fraction of them. It's not like the "Nintendo public" doesn't like it, Nintendo lost market share since the N64 and that's the exact reason why Wii U reached an all-time low.

Japanese games help with Japan. Just Japan. Indie games won't move a single unit. Kid/family has a decent appeal and it should be a focus, like the original Wii.

Anyway, the point isn't the 3rd party support. My point is that the games listed aren't huge sellers, except by Zelda, Splatoon, MK and a few other. Two are remasters. The highest-selling game there is Zelda, that can do something between 5-10M. Even though, the other consoles will go to Holidays with several titles that sell 15M easily and maybe a lower price point.

From a home console perspective, the Switch can't compete unless E3 is packed with announcements. At least Sony has room to cut the price. They are just keeping it high because the sales are good. They barely were up YoY because they refused to cut the price of the console. A 250 dollars price point is easy for Sony and probably MS. I would expect bundles for 200 dollars in Nov/Dec.

As a handheld, it has a free road ahead to replace 3DS, but it comes with a price point 50 dollars higher than the one that made 3DS flop initially. It's a whole 130 dollars to the pricing that made 3DS sell well.