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Forums - Nintendo - Wired: Nintendo Switch ain't for mom and pop - It's for die-hard fans

Soundwave said:

I still don't buy the logic that Wii U was aimed at the Call of Duty "mature" gamer ... just because it had Call of Duty. Wii had Call of Duty too, the only difference was it was crappier because the hardware couldn't run the game properly, if Activision could have ported the PS3/360 COD games to the Wii directly, they obviously would have and they probably would have sold well. 

New Super Mario Bros.
Nintendo Land
Sing Party
Ninja Gaiden: Razor's Edge (an old port)
LEGO City Undercover
Game & Wario
Pikmin 3
Wonderful 101
Zelda: WWHD
Wii Party U
Wii Sports Club
Wii Fit U
Mario & Sonic Sochi Olympics
Super Mario 3D World

6/14 games are mini-game/party game casual fare (almost half!) and there's two Mario games both of which are developed for the expanded audience.

Combined with commercials like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVmW_qM1mmg

It was pretty obvious who Nintendo was aiming the Wii U at ... they just didn't have a wonder controller gimmick that anyone cared about the second time around.

The flaw in everyone's logic is that you divide people into hardcore and casual customers and think the latter don't care about quality in their products. You think "casuals" will buy any trash Nintendo puts out. Wii Sports, Wii Fit, etc. were all high quality products. They did their job perfectly: They were great games to play in local multiplayer with nearly everyone. That's what people bought the Wii for.

The Wii U on the other hand? Where are the high quality games for the mass market gamer? The lazy remakes of Wii Sports and Wii Fit? Why would people buy those again, because they were in HD? Wii Party U? Nintendo Land? Lol come on! Nintendo put out a bunch of low quality software to lure mass market customers into buying a Wii U and they totally failed. Their focus was on the core games (compare the production values of Mario 3D Land to Mario Bros. U which was basically another level pack for those other 2D Mario games Nintendo put out in the years prior to the Wii U's launch). 

Imagine a console that had the following games at launch:

Devil's Third

Superman 64

Metroid Prime: Federation Force

Metroid: Other M

Skyward Sword spinoff with an extra dose motion control and horrible graphics

A cheap GTA spin-off

Clearly aimed at the hardcore gamer. Would the console sell? Probably not, right? But wait... that means the hardcore gamers left Nintendo! Clearly, the hardcore gamers have moved on and play on PC's now! 

Or maybe the games were just not good enough. And that's what happened with the Wii U. Nintendo didn't put any effort into their mass market games. And now people actually think customers who bought Wii Sports (social, multiplayer games played on a big screen) have "moved on" and now play games on their smartphone (not social, single player, on a small screen). Cue the surprise when people suddenly act interested in the Switch (hint: the "social games" are higher quality and Zelda targets the retro gamer). 



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so the same thesis as what i wrote here:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=224773

but because i didn't write it you'll actually read it with an open mind.



If you dont care about Nintendo games then you most likely wouldnt buy a Switch so is the article really wrong?



RolStoppable said:
kitler53 said:
so the same thesis as what i wrote here:
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=224773

but because i didn't write it you'll actually read it with an open mind.

You didn't have much of a thesis because you didn't provide more than a binary way to look at the video game market.

you saw what you wanted to see.



I mean, obviously. I don't think the impression was ever that the Switch was a console for moms. Just that it does a poor job trying to capture its target audience.



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CaptainExplosion said:
spemanig said:
I mean, obviously. I don't think the impression was ever that the Switch was a console for moms. Just that it does a poor job trying to capture its target audience.

It's doing a better job than the Wii U did.

The Vita did a better job than the Wii U did.



spemanig said:
CaptainExplosion said:

It's doing a better job than the Wii U did.

The Vita did a better job than the Wii U did.

OUCH



S.T.A.G.E. said:

They have to. The little kids dont give a damn about Nintendo, and the generation who Nintendo had in the palm of their hand are all grown up. Nostalgia is everything if they dont have a once in a lifetime fad hit like the Wii. This is for the same niche market as the Wii U, except the device is actually a long range portable.

You know, Switch is aimed for the kids parents, so that the kids too would get their hands on Nintendo hardware. The market is different than the Wii U market.

Soundwave said:

I still don't buy the logic that Wii U was aimed at the Call of Duty "mature" gamer ... just because it had Call of Duty. Wii had Call of Duty too, the only difference was it was crappier because the hardware couldn't run the game properly, if Activision could have ported the PS3/360 COD games to the Wii directly, they obviously would have and they probably would have sold well. 

New Super Mario Bros.
Nintendo Land
Sing Party
Ninja Gaiden: Razor's Edge (an old port)
LEGO City Undercover
Game & Wario
Pikmin 3
Wonderful 101
Zelda: WWHD
Wii Party U
Wii Sports Club
Wii Fit U
Mario & Sonic Sochi Olympics
Super Mario 3D World

6/14 games are mini-game/party game casual fare (almost half!) and there's two Mario games both of which are developed for the expanded audience.

Combined with commercials like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVmW_qM1mmg

It was pretty obvious who Nintendo was aiming the Wii U at ... they just didn't have a wonder controller gimmick that anyone cared about the second time around.

It was aimed to the COD and Fifa gamer. Everything in it was just made "better". The controller was a gimmick to lure in the "high tech gimmick" portion of the market. Minigames are very much core games (because the casual COD/Fifa gamers are the industrys core market), and it should've been easy to port the PS360 games on Wii U - only with better controls and a controller gimmick for people interested in hardware. 



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Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

So, I'm a die-hard fan.



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CaptainExplosion said:
bdbdbd said:

You know, Switch is aimed for the kids parents, so that the kids too would get their hands on Nintendo hardware. The market is different than the Wii U market.

It was aimed to the COD and Fifa gamer. Everything in it was just made "better". The controller was a gimmick to lure in the "high tech gimmick" portion of the market. Minigames are very much core games (because the casual COD/Fifa gamers are the industrys core market), and it should've been easy to port the PS360 games on Wii U - only with better controls and a controller gimmick for people interested in hardware. 

Since when are COD and FIFA casual games? They don't seem like it.

Who don't like COD and Fifa? Sports fans? Or people in their teens and twenties who are under social pressure to play the games because they're popular? They're the core games and the casual audience is the core audience of the industry.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.