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Neodegenerate on 18 January 2017
Bandorr said:
KLAMarine said:

So how do you feel about Kaz Hirai's explanation on not revealing PSVR sales?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/01/16/is-sonys-psvr-doomed-heading-into-2017/#fc097c036560

I will answer your question when you answer both of mine.  I'd like to know what you mean by "taking things at face value" and why you would want people to just automatically believe whatever PR they are fed.

I wouldn't bother here.  This person was so bothered by the fact that MS is being rightfully called out for not releasing hardware numbers that they made a thread with a clickbait title about PSVR.



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Aura7541 on 18 January 2017
KLAMarine said:
Bandorr said:

And by taking things at face value you mean..not calling out the obvious BS?

Why would anyone just willingly accept BS?

They don't release the numbers because it is good PR to not release the numbers. They would get beaten up every single time they did because Sony would always be so far ahead. That isn't bad. Making up some phony excuse as PR is bad.

So how do you feel about Kaz Hirai's explanation on not revealing PSVR sales?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/01/16/is-sonys-psvr-doomed-heading-into-2017/#fc097c036560

So what you're telling me is that Microsoft should be called out on not revealing the XB1's numbers, correct?

... or is this the usual SonyToo(TM) statement?



fielding88 on 18 January 2017

I thought I heard him say this a long time ago, so I checked the article...he said this nearly a year ago, in March 2016 I think. Did nobody else hear this back then? I wonder if there was a similar discussion here about it back then.



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KLAMarine on 18 January 2017
Bandorr said:
KLAMarine said:

So how do you feel about Kaz Hirai's explanation on not revealing PSVR sales?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/01/16/is-sonys-psvr-doomed-heading-into-2017/#fc097c036560

I will answer your question when you answer both of mine.  I'd like to know what you mean by "taking things at face value"

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/take+at+face+value

Bandorr said:

and why you would want people to just automatically believe whatever PR they are fed.

I don't.

aLkaLiNE said:
KLAMarine said:

So how do you feel about Kaz Hirai's explanation on not revealing PSVR sales?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/01/16/is-sonys-psvr-doomed-heading-into-2017/#fc097c036560

I don't feel anything. How do you feel about every VR maker not releasing headset numbers?

Indifferent. I'm not a VR investor.

Aura7541 said:
KLAMarine said:

So how do you feel about Kaz Hirai's explanation on not revealing PSVR sales?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/01/16/is-sonys-psvr-doomed-heading-into-2017/#fc097c036560

So what you're telling me is that Microsoft should be called out on not revealing the XB1's numbers, correct?

... or is this the usual SonyToo(TM) statement?

Well if Microsoft is being called out for a practice, as aLkaLiNe I think will agree, is widespread, why not Sony too?

We do want to be fair, right?



KLAMarine on 18 January 2017
BraLoD said:

So we are back here

Yeah, lol!

For those wondering: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=224879



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Aura7541 on 18 January 2017
KLAMarine said:
Aura7541 said:

So what you're telling me is that Microsoft should be called out on not revealing the XB1's numbers, correct?

... or is this the usual SonyToo(TM) statement?

Well if Microsoft is being called out for a practice, as aLkaLiNe I think will agree, is widespread, why not Sony too?

We do want to be fair, right?

Sure, then we should also condemn Oculus and Valve. Gotta apply the same standards to everyone, right?



KLAMarine on 18 January 2017
Aura7541 said:
KLAMarine said:

Well if Microsoft is being called out for a practice, as aLkaLiNe I think will agree, is widespread, why not Sony too?

We do want to be fair, right?

Sure, then we should also condemn Oculus and Valve. Gotta apply the same standards to everyone, right?

Sure.



aLkaLiNE on 18 January 2017
KLAMarine said:
Bandorr said:

I will answer your question when you answer both of mine.  I'd like to know what you mean by "taking things at face value"

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/take+at+face+value

Bandorr said:

and why you would want people to just automatically believe whatever PR they are fed.

I don't.

aLkaLiNE said:

I don't feel anything. How do you feel about every VR maker not releasing headset numbers?

Indifferent. I'm not a VR investor.

Aura7541 said:

So what you're telling me is that Microsoft should be called out on not revealing the XB1's numbers, correct?

... or is this the usual SonyToo(TM) statement?

Well if Microsoft is being called out for a practice, as aLkaLiNe I think will agree, is widespread, why not Sony too?

We do want to be fair, right?

What I'm trying to say is it's not unusual or odd that Sony doesn't release VR headset numbers because that market is infant and literally no headset maker is releasing numbers. So, no numbers for VR is currently the norm.

What isn't and hasn't been the norm is reporting monthly active users in place of sell in numbers for consoles which is why people are looking at Microsoft with a magnifying glass.

Do you understand?



Aura7541 on 18 January 2017
aLkaLiNE said:

What I'm trying to say is it's not unusual or odd that Sony doesn't release VR headset numbers because that market is infant and literally no headset maker is releasing numbers. So, no numbers for VR is currently the norm.

What isn't and hasn't been the norm is reporting monthly active users in place of sell in numbers for consoles which is why people are looking at Microsoft with a magnifying glass.

Do you understand?

Also, when MS released its November NPD PR, it literally compared the amount of active users on November 26, 2016 vs. November 26, 2015, which was the weirdest thing ever.



KLAMarine on 18 January 2017
RolStoppable said:
badgenome said:
Because they're bad.

That's too obvious of an explanation. Has to be something else.

Phil Spencer is secretly a super villain. He has a forked tongue and eats babies for breakfast.

aLkaLiNE said:
KLAMarine said:

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/take+at+face+value

I don't.

Indifferent. I'm not a VR investor.

Well if Microsoft is being called out for a practice, as aLkaLiNe I think will agree, is widespread, why not Sony too?

We do want to be fair, right?

What I'm trying to say is it's not unusual or odd that Sony doesn't release VR headset numbers because that market is infant and literally no headset maker is releasing numbers. So, no numbers for VR is currently the norm.

But considering VR's infancy, wouldn't VR sales numbers be even more critical than console numbers? PSVR is an add-on for the PS4 and if there is to be significant third party development for the PSVR, I think you'll agree it's important that it sell well.

aLkaLiNE said:

What isn't and hasn't been the norm is reporting monthly active users in place of sell in numbers for consoles which is why people are looking at Microsoft with a magnifying glass.

Do you understand?

I understand. What I don't understand is people jumping down Phil's throat.