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potato_hamster said:
Dulfite said:

What's that?  brand new system costs as much as bundles of systems that have been out for years?

And you are surprised? When the ps3 launched, the base price of the device was $500-600. And that was back years ago. Inflation would put that at $600-700 now days.

New devices = no fancy bundles in order to get as much boost profit as possible off people like me that are early buyers that don't need the big fat incentives. 

This argument is so dumb. Like it or not, the Switch is competing directly with the PS4 and Xbox One for sales. There will be millions of prospective buyers that will likely be choosing between a PS4 (or Xbox One) and a Switch. Do you think when they go to Best Buy and see the PS4 demo booth right next to the Switch demo booth, and notice the games on the PS4 look much, much better, they're really going to care that the PS4 is three years old? Do you think when they go to the games section and see Skyrim for the switch selling for $60, and 1-2 Switch selling for $50, and then look through the PS4 game section, and the Skyrim special edition  for PS4 is in the discount bin for $20, along with a dozen other games like Tomb Raider, or the Uncharted collection for $20 or less, they're going to be excited about those prospects? DDo you think when they are making their choice, do they think to themselves "Well the PS4 is a much better deal now, but it would be a worse deal if I bought it three years ago, so even though the Switch will cost me hundreds of dollars more right now, it's just as good of a deal!".

No of course they don't. They buy a PS4 with a pack in game and buy another 4 of the latest games with it (or a dozen games that came out a year ago) for the same price they can buy a Switch for, that's going to be a +1 sale for Sony and not for Nintendo.  It is Nintendo's fault that they decided to put out a new home console 3 years after the PS4 and X1 came out. It's Nintendo's fault they released a console against competition that to the average consumer is better value in every way.

If you really think the same people that are going to buy the ps4/xbox one are trying to determine between one of those and the Switch, there is no point continuing this discussion, because I refuse to agree with that. The Wii U clearly appealed to different types of gamers. And the Wii was a 2nd console to the ps3/xbox360, as is indicative by how well all three console sold (most people double dipped in the market that cycle, hence why the numbers are overall so much worse "looking" now for video games, because people haven't been double dipping as much due to the Wii U failing to attract people and due to it confusing people so much).

The people that are going to buy Nintendo devices aren't going to be lured away to another device because its games look slightly better. And don't even say "its not slightly". You can say all the nonsense you want about how the graphics blow away Nintendo graphics, but the reality is the MAJORITY of people are increasingly able to tell less and less apart from graphical cycles. I garuntee you, more people were shocked by the move from Gtx 200 to gtx 300 than people were from gtx 900 to gtx 1000 series. Graphical jumps now days just don't stand out that much unless you are a technically obsessed person who watches digital foundry all day and pays attention to fps. My brother in law is about as pc overlord as you can get and he ALWAYS makes comments about tears or framerate drops or whatever, and these are things I never naturally see. He has to point them out to me. Most people are probably even less observant than I am (especially parents, who probably favor the happier more cartoony games for their kids anyway) and I freaking out a gtx 980 ti lol. The point is, in no way will Nintendo's hardware sales be impacted simply because the piss4 pro or the xbone look a little shinier standing next to them. As long as Nintendo has the software that people have come to know and love longer than the other two companies have been in gaming, they will continue to sell to their core market.



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oniyide said:
Dulfite said:

What's that?  brand new system costs as much as bundles of systems that have been out for years?

And you are surprised? When the ps3 launched, the base price of the device was $500-600. And that was back years ago. Inflation would put that at $600-700 now days.

New devices = no fancy bundles in order to get as much boost profit as possible off people like me that are early buyers that don't need the big fat incentives. 

yeah and we saw how well that did, kinda making his point for him

So? They sold their device at a profitable amount while they could, then they lowered it. People may view that as a failure on Sony's part early on, but they probably viewed it as pure profit at the time. Otherwise, they may have had to take a loss in their first 6 months of that device being on the market, which would have been bad for the shareholders. Same thing with Nintendo on the 3ds, you sell high until your hardcore fans have bought it, then you lower it so the casuals will jump on board. It's just business.



Dulfite said:
oniyide said:

yeah and we saw how well that did, kinda making his point for him

So? They sold their device at a profitable amount while they could, then they lowered it. People may view that as a failure on Sony's part early on, but they probably viewed it as pure profit at the time. Otherwise, they may have had to take a loss in their first 6 months of that device being on the market, which would have been bad for the shareholders. Same thing with Nintendo on the 3ds, you sell high until your hardcore fans have bought it, then you lower it so the casuals will jump on board. It's just business.

what does any of that have to do with a consumer seeing value of a product? you think people care who made what money on what? THey dont. ANd Ninty did a 3ds price cut early cause it was flopping, lets not act like that was the plan all along



irstupid said:
potato_hamster said:

This argument is so dumb. Like it or not, the Switch is competing directly with the PS4 and Xbox One for sales. There will be millions of prospective buyers that will likely be choosing between a PS4 (or Xbox One) and a Switch. Do you think when they go to Best Buy and see the PS4 demo booth right next to the Switch demo booth, and notice the games on the PS4 look much, much better, they're really going to care that the PS4 is three years old? Do you think when they go to the games section and see Skyrim for the switch selling for $60, and 1-2 Switch selling for $50, and then look through the PS4 game section, and the Skyrim special edition  for PS4 is in the discount bin for $20, along with a dozen other games like Tomb Raider, or the Uncharted collection for $20 or less, they're going to be excited about those prospects? DDo you think when they are making their choice, do they think to themselves "Well the PS4 is a much better deal now, but it would be a worse deal if I bought it three years ago, so even though the Switch will cost me hundreds of dollars more right now, it's just as good of a deal!".

No of course they don't. They buy a PS4 with a pack in game and buy another 4 of the latest games with it (or a dozen games that came out a year ago) for the same price they can buy a Switch for, that's going to be a +1 sale for Sony and not for Nintendo.  It is Nintendo's fault that they decided to put out a new home console 3 years after the PS4 and X1 came out. It's Nintendo's fault they released a console against competition that to the average consumer is better value in every way.

Your missing switches main draw though. It's for all purposes a handheld. 

One can't bring their PS4 on the plane, train or automobile. They can't play it at lunch during work, or at school recess/lunch/study hall. They don't have to unhook their whole system and cords and lug it over to grandmas or a friends house for the day. And then have to hook it all back up again when they get home. 

That can't be the main draw if I bring it on my morning commute and I need to recharge it before lunchtime is over.



Conina said:
JRPGfan said:

Just noticed........ WHERE IS THE ETHERNET PORT!???

Here, just 30 bucks:

Are you fucking kidding? The fact that it's official means they knew people need it but just want to charge. This is just so fucking Nintendo, they haven't changed at all.



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Dulfite said:
potato_hamster said:

This argument is so dumb. Like it or not, the Switch is competing directly with the PS4 and Xbox One for sales. There will be millions of prospective buyers that will likely be choosing between a PS4 (or Xbox One) and a Switch. Do you think when they go to Best Buy and see the PS4 demo booth right next to the Switch demo booth, and notice the games on the PS4 look much, much better, they're really going to care that the PS4 is three years old? Do you think when they go to the games section and see Skyrim for the switch selling for $60, and 1-2 Switch selling for $50, and then look through the PS4 game section, and the Skyrim special edition  for PS4 is in the discount bin for $20, along with a dozen other games like Tomb Raider, or the Uncharted collection for $20 or less, they're going to be excited about those prospects? DDo you think when they are making their choice, do they think to themselves "Well the PS4 is a much better deal now, but it would be a worse deal if I bought it three years ago, so even though the Switch will cost me hundreds of dollars more right now, it's just as good of a deal!".

No of course they don't. They buy a PS4 with a pack in game and buy another 4 of the latest games with it (or a dozen games that came out a year ago) for the same price they can buy a Switch for, that's going to be a +1 sale for Sony and not for Nintendo.  It is Nintendo's fault that they decided to put out a new home console 3 years after the PS4 and X1 came out. It's Nintendo's fault they released a console against competition that to the average consumer is better value in every way.

If you really think the same people that are going to buy the ps4/xbox one are trying to determine between one of those and the Switch, there is no point continuing this discussion, because I refuse to agree with that. The Wii U clearly appealed to different types of gamers. And the Wii was a 2nd console to the ps3/xbox360, as is indicative by how well all three console sold (most people double dipped in the market that cycle, hence why the numbers are overall so much worse "looking" now for video games, because people haven't been double dipping as much due to the Wii U failing to attract people and due to it confusing people so much).

The people that are going to buy Nintendo devices aren't going to be lured away to another device because its games look slightly better. And don't even say "its not slightly". You can say all the nonsense you want about how the graphics blow away Nintendo graphics, but the reality is the MAJORITY of people are increasingly able to tell less and less apart from graphical cycles. I garuntee you, more people were shocked by the move from Gtx 200 to gtx 300 than people were from gtx 900 to gtx 1000 series. Graphical jumps now days just don't stand out that much unless you are a technically obsessed person who watches digital foundry all day and pays attention to fps. My brother in law is about as pc overlord as you can get and he ALWAYS makes comments about tears or framerate drops or whatever, and these are things I never naturally see. He has to point them out to me. Most people are probably even less observant than I am (especially parents, who probably favor the happier more cartoony games for their kids anyway) and I freaking out a gtx 980 ti lol. The point is, in no way will Nintendo's hardware sales be impacted simply because the piss4 pro or the xbone look a little shinier standing next to them. As long as Nintendo has the software that people have come to know and love longer than the other two companies have been in gaming, they will continue to sell to their core market.

The WIi U didn't appeal to anybody. Deny it all you want, prospective buyers were looking at the WIi U vs the PS4 and Xbox One, and it was a no brainer. You can say all you want that people that are going to buy Nintendo devices aren't going to be lured away by graphics, but that's Nintendo's problem isn't it? People are getting lured away by graphics, and third party games, and rock solid online play. The people that don't care about that more than they care about playing Nintendo games? Those numbers are clearly and obviously dwindling.

From everything we've seen, the Switch is barely a step up from the Wii U graphically. Besides that, what's the main difference? That they can take their Switch outside if they want? That's a limited appeal. Other than that, the sides of the Wii U tablet now detatch, and you can now only use the TV screen or the tablet screen. If they didn't find the Wii U appealing, why are they suddenly going to buy the Switch? It's arguably a harder sell than the Wii U was at launch. It's more expensive. It's accessories are far more expensive. They now have to pay to play online. All for what? The ability to take the game out on road with you if you choose to do so. That's a very hard sell.



potato_hamster said:
Dulfite said:

If you really think the same people that are going to buy the ps4/xbox one are trying to determine between one of those and the Switch, there is no point continuing this discussion, because I refuse to agree with that. The Wii U clearly appealed to different types of gamers. And the Wii was a 2nd console to the ps3/xbox360, as is indicative by how well all three console sold (most people double dipped in the market that cycle, hence why the numbers are overall so much worse "looking" now for video games, because people haven't been double dipping as much due to the Wii U failing to attract people and due to it confusing people so much).

The people that are going to buy Nintendo devices aren't going to be lured away to another device because its games look slightly better. And don't even say "its not slightly". You can say all the nonsense you want about how the graphics blow away Nintendo graphics, but the reality is the MAJORITY of people are increasingly able to tell less and less apart from graphical cycles. I garuntee you, more people were shocked by the move from Gtx 200 to gtx 300 than people were from gtx 900 to gtx 1000 series. Graphical jumps now days just don't stand out that much unless you are a technically obsessed person who watches digital foundry all day and pays attention to fps. My brother in law is about as pc overlord as you can get and he ALWAYS makes comments about tears or framerate drops or whatever, and these are things I never naturally see. He has to point them out to me. Most people are probably even less observant than I am (especially parents, who probably favor the happier more cartoony games for their kids anyway) and I freaking out a gtx 980 ti lol. The point is, in no way will Nintendo's hardware sales be impacted simply because the piss4 pro or the xbone look a little shinier standing next to them. As long as Nintendo has the software that people have come to know and love longer than the other two companies have been in gaming, they will continue to sell to their core market.

The WIi U didn't appeal to anybody. Deny it all you want, prospective buyers were looking at the WIi U vs the PS4 and Xbox One, and it was a no brainer. You can say all you want that people that are going to buy Nintendo devices aren't going to be lured away by graphics, but that's Nintendo's problem isn't it? People are getting lured away by graphics, and third party games, and rock solid online play. The people that don't care about that more than they care about playing Nintendo games? Those numbers are clearly and obviously dwindling.

From everything we've seen, the Switch is barely a step up from the Wii U graphically. Besides that, what's the main difference? That they can take their Switch outside if they want? That's a limited appeal. Other than that, the sides of the Wii U tablet now detatch, and you can now only use the TV screen or the tablet screen. If they didn't find the Wii U appealing, why are they suddenly going to buy the Switch? It's arguably a harder sell than the Wii U was at launch. It's more expensive. It's accessories are far more expensive. They now have to pay to play online. All for what? The ability to take the game out on road with you if you choose to do so. That's a very hard sell.

False. The wii saw a MASSIVE increase in casual fans, but the Wii U is performing similiarly to the gamecube before it, so Nintendo's super loyal base is still in the 10-20 mil range, for the most part. Which means the Switch will sell 10-20 mil units minimum, not including non typical Nintendo fans. The Wii U was unappealing because the 2nd screen often was completely useless and, therefore, people could clearly see how the device was limiting itself (diverting power to two screens instead of just one). Also, the gamecube could only be moved a certain distance away from the Wii U, and the battery was horrible in that mode, whereas the switch is much better in bother of these areas. And we don't know the benefit of online pay yet, in terms of performance. All I can say is I've been through Call of Duty World at War online on the wii and that was horrible, so if paid online gets us better connection and prevents game servers from shutting down so early like Devil's third, I'm happy with that as long as it isn't super expensive. 

I used to own a 360 and absolutely LOVED the online in that system. It was clear that PAYING for that was worth it because they did such a good job. Here is hoping Nintendo does the same thing with our money that Microsoft has been doing.

Not just the road, but an airplane, on a boat, on a train, in a taxi cab, on a school bus, shuttle bus, while your baby sitting your neice, and on and on. This is going to be amazingly convenient compared to massive boxy hd twins.



JRPGfan said:
Conina said:

Here, just 30 bucks:

This is the problem.

299$ switch

30$ adapteur lan (for nintendo switch)

50$ MicroSD

70$ procontroller

+1 game 60$

= 509$    (to get a system that basically has what a PS4slim / XB1s bundle has)

wow



My cynical theory: Nintendo is giving themselves enough room to maneuver down $100 with the Switch:
$10 drop for Joy-Con pair
$50-60 drop for dock alone
That's an easy $60-$70 off the perceived cost of the Switch.



 
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Dr.Vita said:
Rip-off.

So was the vita memory card but i did not see you complaining.

Gotta milk them early adopters lol.