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ratuscafoarterea said:
Super_Boom said:

Hate speech isn't limited to specific groups, nor is it limited to the examples given in the rules. You can attempt to talk around your intention, but the point is clear, you're expressing the notion that John McCain deserved to be diagnosed with a terminal illness due to political standpoints that you disagree with. I honestly don't know how you could possibly attempt to defend a post like this. Expressing a negative opinion on someone's politics is not the same as believing someone deserves to die for said politics. 

For the record, I support moderations on any similar posts, regardless of the politican in question. Calling for the death of fellow human beings honestly makes me dissapointed to share the same community as people like this. If you see similar offenses, I invite you to report or PM a moderator to make them aware of the offense.

Final point...but something that people tend to forget, is that your moderation history plays a role in every moderation. You can't look at your post in a vacuum and question why it deserved a certain length. The moderation you received was actually light, given your past history...which to be blunt, is pretty ugly.

Yes, but the point you and your buddy’s are missing, is the fact that public figure actions have lead to multiple wars, millions of people life’s being affected and people dying. In that case you just can’t neglect the truth and just say “I feel sorry for the guy”. Knowing what this politician did, common sense dictates that I’m going to express my opinion and make other people aware of his actions.

 Yes, talking bad about a single person can be considered hate speech as much as talking bad about a group, but the moment that person is a criminal, it’s not hate speech. In fact, your attitude undermines the freedom of speech.

 

Also, the fact that my history here, influenced my ban, it shows that I’m right. You ban people selectively.

 

 

Oh please.Just because YOU think he is a criminal and deserving to be hated, its ok to be harsh with this person?And who dosent agree with you is going against freedom of speech?lol

Imagine if everyone felt the same way as you.Every single foolish idea would be accepted, because its "freedom of speech".



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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Pyro as Bill said:
Super_Boom said:

... Expressing a negative opinion on someone's politics is not the same as believing someone deserves to die for said politics. 

... Calling for the death of fellow human beings honestly makes me dissapointed to share the same community as people like this. If you see similar offenses, I invite you to report or PM a moderator to make them aware of the offense.

Does this also apply to politicians like Assad, Erdogan, Saddam, Gadaffi?

Is calling for/hoping for the death of members of ISIS or Al Qaida allowed?

I would say that this is a different situation.While I have no idea what that politician that was mentioned has done, he is not actively trying to kill people, he may be just a bad politician.For terrorists groups, to achieve their goals, they are actively killing people.and terrorizism the different societies of the world.

while I never will be ok with people just straight up writing horrible things as that user did, I would say that those teo situations you proposed are fundamentaly different, and thus have different standards to be judged upon.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Veknoid_Outcast said:
deskpro2k3 said:

I've been here for a long time, and I've seen certain things get overlooked, and the most delicate things hit hard with criticism. Not to mention the many times rules get changed and tweaked without knowing about it. Ex:  Since when Antonio Banderas memes become bad?

All I'm saying is, communication can be a lot better in here, but if something happens again over something trivial then that'll be the last straw.

Expect overtime, because now the neighborhood watch is here.

Because moderators are human beings, and because the dynamics of the community are ever-changing, you're going to get some amount of inconsistency among moderations. Context, subtext, and the perspective of each moderator all play a big part in handing out warnings or bans.

But there's a simple way around that: treat others with respect and explain your own controversial opinions. If everyone did this, bans would drop precipitously.


Wait a second, hold the presses.. are you saying I have to explain the controversial opinion of a Antonio Banderas meme?



In my opinion, the site either needs to disallow political posts, or lighten up with the moderation on political threads. Political discussions by nature are contentuous. There's going to be harsh language and vitriol. To expect otherwise is unreasonable.

It is also unreasonable to expect people to keep politics out of a discussion about a politician.



Bandorr said:
VAMatt said:
In my opinion, the site either needs to disallow political posts, or lighten up with the moderation on political threads. Political discussions by nature are contentuous. There's going to be harsh language and vitriol. To expect otherwise is unreasonable.

It is also unreasonable to expect people to keep politics out of a discussion about a politician.

It is very easy to have discussions without using harsh language and vitriol.  If people can't find it possible to be civil while having a discussion, the discussion would go no where.

That would mean people are using their hearts and passion instead of their brains and logic. That isn't a discussion, thats yelling at each other.

I don't disagree with any of that.  My point is just that that's not how the real world works.  



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deskpro2k3 said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

Because moderators are human beings, and because the dynamics of the community are ever-changing, you're going to get some amount of inconsistency among moderations. Context, subtext, and the perspective of each moderator all play a big part in handing out warnings or bans.

But there's a simple way around that: treat others with respect and explain your own controversial opinions. If everyone did this, bans would drop precipitously.


Wait a second, hold the presses.. are you saying I have to explain the controversial opinion of a Antonio Banderas meme?

I don't know any of the details of this meme. Just saying that if you act respectfully and justify/unpack any provocative posts, you and anyone else will be able to avoid moderation indefinitely.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
deskpro2k3 said:


Wait a second, hold the presses.. are you saying I have to explain the controversial opinion of a Antonio Banderas meme?

I don't know any of the details of this meme. Just saying that if you act respectfully and justify/unpack any provocative posts, you and anyone else will be able to avoid moderation indefinitely.

If only it works that way 100% of the time that'll be great, but as you said, we're only human.



CGI-Quality said:

 I don't have the rule book for the "real world", but on this site, that's how it is going to go!

Okay.  I think that's a bad policy.  




ratuscafoarterea said:

1. It looks to me that this admin has changed the forum rules, and changed what “Blatant forms of racism, sexism, homophobia, or any other sort of hatred towards a group of people” means, just to have a reason to ban me. A person/ political figure is not a group of people, is just one person.

2. Furthermore, this admin chooses to misinterpreted my words. I didn’t say that I wish him death, I’ve said that he had it coming, in another words “what goes around, comes around"

3. I’ve seen here, users on this forum posting nasty comments about politicians, Trump, Clinton and how these politicians should die, and those users haven’t been banned. ..........

4. The warning that he’s talking about, was made a few comments down in to the post, my comment was made to replay the OP, the warning should have been made more visible. Even if I made a mistake, and I didn’t read a comment that was made 4 comments down, on a site that is full with adds and all sorts of avatars, I still don’t think that deserves a two weeks ban.

It sounds to me that the admin was more bothered by my OPINION on that public figure, and it decided to bend the rules of this site to have me banned.

The moderator hasn't changed any rules. Any blatant or repeat infractions of the forum guidelines will result in moderation ranging from a simple warning to lenghty or permanent bans. As the language used in your post was deemed to be over the line of what we were willing to accept in the discussion, considering members of the forum directly spoke about their personal experiences with cancer. Your post was disrespectful to the millions who suffer with cancer, or the millions who know those suffering.

As has already been mentioned, your disrespectful post came after multiple warnings from a moderator to keep John Mccain's politics out of the discussion. The two of these together, while taking your mod history into account (You were recently hit with a 20 day ban for flaming and 44 days this year in total), it's an easy decision to make. Disrespectful, hateful post? Check. Ignoring a moderators warning? Check. Lengthy mod history? Check. Three strikes.

What you need to understand is that this isn't a decision made solely by Super_Boom. The issue was discussed with other moderators and given the green light by the team, just like the vast majority of other decisions made by moderators here.

ratuscafoarterea said:

Yes, but the point you and your buddy’s are missing, is the fact that public figure actions have lead to multiple wars, millions of people life’s being affected and people dying. In that case you just can’t neglect the truth and just say “I feel sorry for the guy”. Knowing what this politician did, common sense dictates that I’m going to express my opinion and make other people aware of his actions.

 Yes, talking bad about a single person can be considered hate speech as much as talking bad about a group, but the moment that person is a criminal, it’s not hate speech. In fact, your attitude undermines the freedom of speech.

Also, the fact that my history here, influenced my ban, it shows that I’m right. You ban people selectively.


The same could be said of any major politician, in any major western country. The point is that there is a time and a place for deriding someone, and a thread where people are publically talking about their own experiences with cancer and offering condolences simply isn't that place. If you wish to express your true feelings on the man, then there's many more places on the internet where you can do so.

You seem to be confused regarding the progessive system we use for moderation. We don't ban people selectively. Every member here has a mod history we can look at to judge the length of any impending moderation. To quote - "VGChartz uses a progressive moderation system as a basic guideline for moderating users. This means that repeats of similar offenses will often result in harsher penalties, starting with a warning and working up." The progressive system we use has worked since it was implemented and has been a great help to the team in judging what should be done with specific users. Your own mod history is nothing but either flaming and attacking moderators, so it's no real surprise to see you hit with another ban for something a) coming under the "flaming" umbrella and b) ignoring what a moderator has said.

If anything, the 14 day hit was lenient. I'd have argued that he hit you with 30.



                            

ratuscafoarterea said:

Yes, but the point you and your buddy’s are missing, is the fact that public figure actions have lead to multiple wars, millions of people life’s being affected and people dying. In that case you just can’t neglect the truth and just say “I feel sorry for the guy”. Knowing what this politician did, common sense dictates that I’m going to express my opinion and make other people aware of his actions.

 Yes, talking bad about a single person can be considered hate speech as much as talking bad about a group, but the moment that person is a criminal, it’s not hate speech. In fact, your attitude undermines the freedom of speech.

 

Also, the fact that my history here, influenced my ban, it shows that I’m right. You ban people selectively.

 

 

This is all your interpretation, and I don't care to discuss your political opinion. The reason you were moderated is for expressing the belief that someone deserves to die for an opinion you don't agree with. The belief that lawmakers who make decisions impacting the lives of others are equivalent to actual murderers is certainly an unpopular one, which is why you'll find almost no one here (moderators or otherwise) showing tolerance to it.

Your last point doesn't really make sense. Of course, we'll weigh different users differently based on their history. That isn't being selective...it's determining whether or not you are showing signs of being a constructive member of this community. If someone with a clean history made that comment, they would have likely received a warning. With a history like yours...no one saw a need to give you benefit of the doubt, and rightfully so. 

Pyro as Bill said:

Does this also apply to politicians like Assad, Erdogan, Saddam, Gadaffi?

Is calling for/hoping for the death of members of ISIS or Al Qaida allowed?

This and that aren't quite the same, though I can understand why this would lead to confusion. Personally, I would draw the line at whether or not one's actions directly cause the death of others, but even then, there is some gray area.

That being said, gray areas like this are why we have a team of moderators that convene to make these decisions. While it's not apparent from the outside, moderation decisions are nearly always discussed as a group, and the more gray the offense, the more members of the team will generally weigh in.



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