RolStoppable said:
It's quite pointless to make it a rule that 'M$' should not be allowed. It's the kind of thing where pedantic mods who tend to take things literally are prone to make a situation worse than it ever needed to be. I looked at the thread you linked to earlier and it is pretty much what happened there. Yes, you are pedantic and you know it already that you get yourself into drawn out debates over semantics. Even if you mean well, it can do more harm than good. The usage of the term 'M$" is one that cuts both ways. It has been used as implication that Microsoft is rich because they are greedy, but also as a token of pride that Microsoft is so rich that they can buy exclusivity whenever they feel like it. The latter was obviously a lot more prevalent during the 360 era where Microsoft was moneyhatting a lot of third parties, lots of PS fans were upset about it and Xbox fans were gleeful. But more importantly, 'M$' should never be the core for moderation. It's merely a further indicator what a user is up to. If someone uses 'M$', then their comments are usually already sprinkled with other indicators that qualify as stealth trolling or outright trolling. You can look at 'M$' as something that adds to the sum of one post or multiple posts and makes the decision easier whether a moderation is in order or not. This whole 'M$' thing is about using rules literally. As in, the mod team may be unable to pin down someone with their literal rule enforcement, so they come up with a new rule that can hopefully be applied later and used as justification for a moderation. I think this is where the saying "missing the forest for the trees" is appropriate. You don't need an M$ rule when you have a bunch of DPS7 posts and recognize a pattern of covert trolling. You collect those posts in a spreadsheet and eventually add those links to a ban note to prove a pattern. It's like in football (real football) where the referee might give a player a yellow card for a foul that wasn't deserving of a yellow card, but the referee noticed that the player in question commonly uses low-key fouls to disrupt the flow of the game and the foul that earned the yellow card was already the fifth of that kind. |
I fully admit to being pedantic at times, but in that case, I think it was necessary. My first post was just "hey by the way this is against our rules", which is not just like my personal rule. If they're going to say "nah man not going to do that" then I think explaining the rationale of the rule and the consequences is necessary. It is pedantic, but that's sometimes part of the job. I'm not saying that your criticism is completely invalid, and in another thread recently I apologized to a user for just that, but in this case, I think my actions were fine.
And I don't think M$ is the core of moderation. Maybe we'll discuss it more in the mod room and clarify, but my initial post wasn't "if you use M$ you'll get banned", it was that M$ is "frowned upon", and that it will "be looked at negatively". Which I think means exactly what you're suggesting, that it's going to be a factor in whether a post will be moderated. And, we should alert people who are using that term of that fact, which is what was done.
Last edited by JWeinCom - on 07 August 2020