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If he had a history of trolling/semitrolling then that should put more weight in the comment he is banned for even when it was more subtle,there are more people that constantly tread the borders of what is accepted on this forum but i assume most cases get monitored for a good amount of time till a ban drops.



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padib said:

There seems to be more severity towards trolling Sony than trolling Nintendo or Microsoft.

What a load.

Many Nintendo threads are able to stay on topic without much negativity but PS/Xbox threads are often swarmed with Nintendo users acting up.
Why do you think so many PS/Xbox users have left VGC?



RolStoppable said: 

*snip*

I'm too old for your games, Rol.

See you in a month or two.



RolStoppable said:

Another example of PS fans getting away with more dates back a couple of days ago when Pemalite was asked if he's really that dumb as well as being accused of trolling because of his PC vs. PS5 comparisons.

He didn't get away with it. And I brought it up in the mod thread.



--::{PC Gaming Master Race}::--



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Bandorr said:

The post very much was made to troll and bait Sony users. There is zero doubt in there.

He tried to pass off "opinions" as facts which I think rob the points of any sense or merit.

The ban date seems long.. but the dude has a long, long history of this.

Disagreed.

Being negative and critical of Sony's promotion of PS5 and questioning what improvements PS5 will bring, while we know almost nothing about the console itself other than it's weaker than the next Xbox and has a new controller, isn't really trolling or baiting Sony users. The promotion of PS5 has been poor at best thus far and anyone has a right to question what the next console will bring to the table while the competition are bringing positive improvements and ideas. It doesn't matter if you're a die-hard Nintendo guy pointing out these faults, it doesn't matter if you have a long history of trolling in PlayStation topics. If you have a valid addition to the discussion it deserves to be heard.

Furthermore, reading his post it's not entirely clear that he's trying to pass off opinions as facts. Based on what we know right now... Nintendo's 3rd party support is as good as it's been in decades, Nintendo's 1st party is and always has been far beyond the competition and Nintendo will continue to control the Japanese market. Xbox isn't launching with a forced peripheral to go for Nintendo's market and they're launching a platform stronger than the competition. He says he *thinks* they will undercut Sony in price. Saying Sony played on easymode with PS4 isn't controversial when you consider the disasters of WiiU and early Xbox One, while saying it's a certainty they wont have similar success next generation absolutely is *not* worthy of any kind of moderation.

Outside of this, the problem with hitting people with harsh moderation for trying to pass off opinions as facts comes when you have to remain consistent in your moderation. Not only is nit-picky and strong arming, but it also sets a precedent for what other users will expect from the mod team and what is and isn't acceptable.

A senior moderator really should explain the thought process behind this ban and what exactly Pyro as Bill did wrong. Not only for clarification on this decision, but for clarification in what is and isn't deemed acceptable posting etiquette on the forums.



                            

RolStoppable said:
Pemalite said:

He didn't get away with it. And I brought it up in the mod thread.

Sorry, it's not clear from my post that I was talking about two different people.

You are right, the guy who asked you if you are dumb got addressed by you here, but his post didn't contain a mod note.

Here is the post of the guy who accused you of trolling. It was a direct response to another moderator (SpokenTruth) who reminded people of general guidelines for the thread, so it would be hard to miss for the mod team.

He didn't get a mod note, because it was an informal warning.
He hadn't been moderated in about a year, last ban was a few years ago, so I felt that was a sufficient measure to take to curb his behavior which seems to have been successful.

If it continued or it escalated, then the moderation measures would have thus matched.

Contrary to popular belief we don't run around and just ban everyone willy-nilly for the smallest of infractions, our jobs are to try and guide people to be more civil and constructive, often the simplest approaches are the best... Often that might just be a private message, sometimes an in-thread warning, allot goes on behind the scenes you are not actually be privy to in this regard.

eva01beserk didn't actually call me a troll, could he have been moderated? Perhaps, but that is a very fine line he didn't cross in my opinion. (Other admins/moderators might have disagreed, but that is me personally.)- And again if it continued to escalate, then measures would have been taken.

I do appreciate your concerns though and it's valuable feedback.



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padib said:

Part of me doesn't want to help the mods on this one because I feel like whatever drove that ban was what I was worried about in the team in the first place: using herd mentality and the opinion of the greater number to determine justice rather than the actual content. Part of me wants to say something in hoping that the mod team shows some intention to change that tendency. I produced a report of posts which were much more insulting than the post by Pyro mentioned above. This is the question I asked earlier to the team but I never got a proper answer from the team. There is definitely something wrong here about how trolling is being judged overall. There seems to be more severity towards trolling Sony than trolling Nintendo or Microsoft. I see many negative comments or posts about Microsoft, often, with no action taken. It is important to judge all content objectively regardless of the amount of people who cry out against it. It is very important to maintain objectivity in this aspect in my humble opinion.

That is exactly how it works from my experience. Whether they change things or not depends on if enough people make a stink about it. I get it, no one wants to be hated by the majority, so it's safest to just roll with whatever the popular opinion is, that's just one of the golden rules of life. It just sucks as those of us who stick to being honest and objective no matter what tend to get mislabeled and screwed over.



CGI-Quality said:
Lonely_Dolphin said:

That is exactly how it works from my experience. Whether they change things or not depends on if enough people make a stink about it. I get it, no one wants to be hated by the majority, so it's safest to just roll with whatever the popular opinion is, that's just one of the golden rules of life. It just sucks as those of us who stick to being honest and objective no matter what tend to get mislabeled and screwed over.

Making a stink won’t always result in changes. Also, being honest and objective isn’t discouraged - but it doesn’t mean you can do/say what ever you please. Without some form of balance, someone may expect to do what they want. 

Simply put, that’s not going to happen either.

That's what you'd say of course, but actions tell a different story. I didn't say anything about letting people do whatever they want, but I am of the belief that, as long as whatever it is doesn't hurt anyone, then it's fine. And I mean actually hurt, not just butt hurt over a viewpoint different from their own.



Do people have the impression that if enough people report a post it's going to moderated?

I've only been on I think a couple of weeks now... but in that time, I think I've seen like one post actually get reported multiple times. So... if people think that a particular fanbase is just mass reporting posts and employing some sort of mob rule... it's just not really happening.

Going from a regular user to a moderator, the actual amount of reported posts is considerably less than I imagined. I'm not saying go on a reporting spree, but if you legitimately think someone is crossing the line, be the change you wish to see in the world.