| RolStoppable said: |
My prior statement still stands. - That revenge bans aren't a thing.
Revenge reports are a thing though, but who cares about those? Don't break the rules and you have nothing to fear.

www.youtube.com/@Pemalite


| RolStoppable said: |
My prior statement still stands. - That revenge bans aren't a thing.
Revenge reports are a thing though, but who cares about those? Don't break the rules and you have nothing to fear.

www.youtube.com/@Pemalite


| RolStoppable said: This response of yours makes me question if you even read the posts you respond to. The criticism of the term "revenge ban" is overly pedantic when it's clear since the start that it refers to people filing reports in hopes to see the person banned who they deem responsible for the ban of someone they like. |
I read all posts within their entirety. I only choose the parts I wish to respond to. - Whether you like that or not is honestly not my problem, but I am not going to change that approach just to placate your needs/wants/desires.
| RolStoppable said: "Don't break the rules and you have nothing to fear." - That is your response to a case where I didn't break the rules and got banned? |
That is your opinion.
| RolStoppable said: I want to add that the current case involves the question of joke or malicious trolling, and I do not think that you are qualified enough to cast adequate judgment in such a case, because you have problems to recognize jokes. I submit the following post as evidence: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8302514 |
Whether something is in jest is besides the point, there is a time and place for everything.
You cannot walk into the middle of a funeral and start making dead-person jokes can you?
And let's be honest... You aren't qualified to judge anyone's qualifications, making my qualifications perfectly adequate for this volunteer position that doesn't require any qualifications.
Either way, if you are just going to turn this into a whinge... Do you really think you are going to accomplish anything? Constructive criticism is all well and good, but you aren't really doing that.

www.youtube.com/@Pemalite
| RolStoppable said: "Don't break the rules and you have nothing to fear." - That is your response to a case where I didn't break the rules and got banned? I want to add that the current case involves the question of joke or malicious trolling. |
I think it's pretty easy to determine when a moderation might be needed for jokes if familiar with that users posting habits. If a user never engages in discussion about a particular platform (Nintendo/PlayStation/Xbox) other than to make jokes with negative tones towards that platform, then clearly it is a form of trolling, even if subtle.
If it's clear a user has no love for a platform, and only enters their topics for the sole reason of being negative, whether hidden behind the guise of a joke or not, should that not be considered trolling?
It all depends on the users general activity. I very rarely enter Xbox threads, if I were to do so simply to imply that they are paying for reviews, joke about how a developer they acquired are going to die, or make some other joke about xbox users, then I should be moderated. If you don't care about a platform and don't engage in general discussion about a platform then you're not at liberty to make jokes at their expense. If 95% of what you post about a platform is negative, you're not going to get any benefit of doubt.
Now if I was in Xbox Empire every day talking about their games in a balanced way, I'm sure a joke about how Obsidian is going to start making Kinect games would be overlooked.
Rol's last comment - 1 person agrees
Pemalite's last comment - 1 person agrees
fuck, who am I supposed to believe now???
The question then arises that if reports on simple things were left in the queue for 48+ hours, what on earth is the mod team actually doing?
There's more moderators now than there's ever been. Reports should not be up for a day, let alone two.
It's incompetence.
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| Carl said: The question then arises that if reports on simple things were left in the queue for 48+ hours, what on earth is the mod team actually doing? There's more moderators now than there's ever been. Reports should not be up for a day, let alone two. It's incompetence. |
Do we know for a fact that Rol was reported 48 hours before his ban, or was that just when his comment was written? Because he could have been reported later. I read his statement and it didn't seem like he justifed said conclusion of a 48 hour period. Just that it took the mods that long to ban him after the comment.
Although knowing Rol he probably knows something I don't.
So do 4chan style shitposts get allowed now? You know, stuff that isn't relevant to the thread OP? I mean, if stuff like LOL or Lmao is warn or even ban worthy, seems a bit unbalanced. Not trying to call anyone out, just want some clarity on what the standards are when it comes to flamebaiting, considering I know of someone who got banned for posting a single shitpost/flaming pic as a reply.

| Bristow9091 said:
Besides, there could still be moderators online, but generally we don't go through with moderations unless we have approval from a head moderator, so actually it's more along the lines of "Three people weren't online for a couple of days" than the whole team. When I was online there was indeed a head moderator available, but I can't say if there was or not beforehand as, well, I wasn't there, lol. |
Now I'm home I want to point this out, I couldn't do so earlier.
In all my time as a moderator there has never been an instance of moderators needing to wait for head moderator approval before making decisions. Are you now saying that the rules have changed within the team and moderators now have to wait for or ask for approval from Miguel, CGI or Ryuu?
This is extremely important.
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Carl said:
Now I'm home I want to point this out, I couldn't do so earlier. In all my time as a moderator there has never been an instance of moderators needing to wait for head moderator approval before making decisions. Are you now saying that the rules have changed within the team and moderators now have to wait for or ask for approval from Miguel, CGI or Ryuu? This is extremely important. |
I'd actually like clarification on this also. If this is true, it may be counter-productive. One, it would lead to bottlenecks, particularly when head mods are unavailable. Two, it would concentrate a lot of power in the hands of a select few, thus diminishing what Pemalite correctly identified as the strength of the mod team:
"The thing is... The mod team is comprised of many individuals who all have differing biases... So the mod team can argue a position and come to a conclusion that we can all agree on, making any individual biases ultimately irrelevant."
You bring up a lot of great points. Negative impressions are certainly going to be remembered far more than neutral or even positive impressions.
| RolStoppable said: I agree with your general message, but it is not an accurate description of my history. |
Yeah, I don't claim it to be. I haven't been around this forum very long and even during my tenure here I've probably read less than a quarter of the posts you've made. I can only make observations from what I have seen.
| RolStoppable said: I've been involved in actual prediction threads for all consoles - meaning comprehensive analyses, not just throwing out plain numbers - and regarding the most recent PlayStation consoles, I pegged the Vita as a failure and was more bullish about the PS4 than most PS fans |
You can predict something is going to be a success while still disliking it and it's fans, just as you can predict something will fail while still liking it yourself, that just requires the ability to not have your judgement clouded by your own likes/dislikes/bias. That is an admirable and rare ability, however that doesn't make you incapable of wanting to troll that fanbase. The real test is what you spend your time with, what you like, who you like. I can not remember a time when you have praised a PlayStation game or console, is that selective memory? Or is it because you just don't?
| RolStoppable said: My general activity is that I can be virtually anywhere and I make jokes about virtually everything |
You say you are virtually everywhere but If we look at the topics you've been posting in over the last month (200 posts) we can see where your interests lie. From your past 200 posts 43 have been in Nintendo specific topics, while just 5 have been in PlayStation specific topics. How many of those 5 posts could be considered or, depending on your point of view, misconstrued as stealth trolling? 3 out of 5. How many of the 43 Nintendo posts? 1, maybe 2 at a stretch. It's a small sample size but regardless it's very apparent that you just don't care about Xbox/PlayStation so when you go into one of their topics just to make a joke or post that is explicitly or implicitly negative you're going to ruffle feathers and your intent is going to be called into question.
| RolStoppable said: I dug up a comparable post to the one you deem worthy of a moderation, this one about Nintendo: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8295568 If we are liberal with the interpretation, we can easily classify it as stealth trolling and back it up with a history of years of calling the Wii U a piece of trash. This makes for a more substantial case than what I got moderated for. |
It's always been clear you are a Nintendo First guy, regardless of your comments about WiiU there was surely no doubt at the time among users that you were still a firm Nintendo supporter over PlayStation/Xbox.
| RolStoppable said: Let's suppose my true intent is stealth trolling Sony; logically, I would silently and gleefully watch how bad things happen to PS fans, because justice and fairness aren't things that a stealth troll values. Right? |
Disliking a system/company/fanbase and trolling them occasionally or even frequently doesn't require you to do so all the time. Intentions do not have to remain the same from day to day, month to month, year to year.
At the end of the day a lot of the time it's impossible for the exact intent behind a post to be known and mistakes will be made. If you give off an impression of highly favouring one side over another, and then have a good chunk of your posts in PlayStation threads being negative, the rest neutral, and praise being almost non-existent, people are going to judge those posts and your benefit of doubt will be reduced. I'm certainly not labelling you as a troll, simply pointing out that you spend very little time in PlayStation threads and the time that you do spend in them never seems to stray closer to praise than hate.
Putting up a list of your top 50 of all time with every single one being developed by Nintendo doesn't help that perception.