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Carl said:
Kerotan said:
Will you be applying to rejoin the mod team Carl next time around? Sounds like you are still very much interested in the role.

I don't think so. Not under current circumstances.

Shots fired! Shots fired! 

 

With all due respect you'll get a hell of a lot more done as part of the mod team then not. 



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Kerotan said:
Carl said:

I don't think so. Not under current circumstances.

Shots fired! Shots fired! 

With all due respect you'll get a hell of a lot more done as part of the mod team then not. 

No shots there, I just disagree with a lot of what the team does. It's not a good match right now.

Thanks though. I didn't expect that from you.



                            

RolStoppable said:

Firstly, if my intentions were so clear, then it shouldn't have taken the mod team more than two full days (i.e. 48+ hours) from reports until moderation.

Is there a specific rule listed on the website that dictates how quickly the mod team should move to enact a moderation from the time of reporting?
How are you privy to knowing when someone has made a report?

RolStoppable said:

What I do want to say though is that my most recent ban is a case of a revenge ban, because I am convinced that a significant part of the reason for my ban is an unusually high amount of reports for harmless posts. In a nutshell, I am deemed responsible for quickrick's most recent ban, so I had to pay for it. It wasn't an easy decision to make for the mod team, hence the significant delay between reports and moderation.

This sounds like you are disputing your ban?

RolStoppable said:

This situation is very comparable to this one from two years ago:

What happened two years ago... Happened two years ago. - It does not have any relevancy to today, keep that under advisement for next time and just move on.

Carl said:

It's been 3 days since I asked for clarification on what the mod team considers to be classed as "Trolling" and 2 days since I prodded CGI for further clarification and I've had no actual answers.

Just for future reference... Just because you asked for something or just because you reported something... Doesn't mean action will be taken.
You should know yourself there is deliberation that goes on behind the scenes... We aren't always going to take action because someone demands it, otherwise everyone would be a moderator and get their own way... And that would be chaotic.

I guess the take away from your feedback is that we could probably improve our communication on the overall.

Carl said:

No shots there, I just disagree with a lot of what the team does. It's not a good match right now.

Thanks though. I didn't expect that from you.

What do you propose we could do to make the biggest improvements? (Without going into essay-long levels of responses or examples.)

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Do you wanna dare claim the mod team is unbaised? If so im calling you a liar aswell

Everyone has a bias. What's your point? (Not entirely sure who you were pushing that comment towards either, but that doesn't really matter.)

The thing is... The mod team is comprised of many individuals who all have differing biases... So the mod team can argue a position and come to a conclusion that we can all agree on, making any individual biases ultimately irrelevant.

I highly advise you to contribute something constructive to this thread going forward, the rules are pretty clear on what this thread is for.

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Pemalite said: 
Carl said:

It's been 3 days since I asked for clarification on what the mod team considers to be classed as "Trolling" and 2 days since I prodded CGI for further clarification and I've had no actual answers.

Just for future reference... Just because you asked for something or just because you reported something... Doesn't mean action will be taken.
You should know yourself there is deliberation that goes on behind the scenes... We aren't always going to take action because someone demands it, otherwise everyone would be a moderator and get their own way... And that would be chaotic.

I guess the take away from your feedback is that we could probably improve our communication on the overall.

Carl said:

No shots there, I just disagree with a lot of what the team does. It's not a good match right now.

Thanks though. I didn't expect that from you.

What do you propose we could do to make the biggest improvements? (Without going into essay-long levels of responses or examples.)

Because of my post CGI returned to the thread to answer my concerns, I got my point across and further discussed it with him through PM. It worked out. Outside of that, I'm not sure why you're trying to explain behind the scenes moderator behavior to me. 

Communication is key, yes. That's the entire point of having this thread. If moderators don't want to answer questions, for whatever reason, then the thread becomes redundant. 

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Biggest improvements? In short? Knock it down and build it again. That's for another discussion though.



                            

RolStoppable said:
Pemalite said:

Is there a specific rule listed on the website that dictates how quickly the mod team should move to enact a moderation from the time of reporting?
How are you privy to knowing when someone has made a report?

This sounds like you are disputing your ban?

What happened two years ago... Happened two years ago. - It does not have any relevancy to today, keep that under advisement for next time and just move on.

1. Basic reasoning. If something is an easy call to make, then the decision-making process is quick. If something takes two days to arrive at a conclusion, then it definitely wasn't an easy and clear case, unless you want to argue that the mod team was for whatever reason incapable of handling the case in a more timely manner, such as nobody was online for two days or the workload was huge. Don't forget that the mod team even got confused on which post I was supposed to get banned for; you yourself issued the error.

2. It's an explanation of what happened. Surely, the mod team recognizes that it's suspicious when reports are flying in for a post that doesn't warrant multiple reports.

3. I explained why the case from two years ago is relevant. There are notable similarities in the circumstances. Also, history is important, so you can't simply dismiss it when it doesn't suit you.

I repeat that I didn't post here to make an appeal. You had some questions and I answered them. That's all.

Do just keep in mind that a moderator doesn't see a post which requires moderation as soon as you make it, their attention is just drawn to it when a user or users on here reports it. I'm just saying that because you made the post and then 2 days later it gets a ban could be that the person who was offended by it reported it a day or so after you made it, there are times on here (on mobile especially) that reporting doesn't work for me to the point where I've closed the page and thought to myself "I'll do it later at the PC" so there is a chance that's why it didn't get moderated faster.

Just putting it out there, I'm not saying that I reported whichever post you got moderated for btw, just that mods don't see every new post on the site.



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RolStoppable said:
Ganoncrotch said:

Do just keep in mind that a moderator doesn't see a post which requires moderation as soon as you make it, their attention is just drawn to it when a user or users on here reports it. I'm just saying that because you made the post and then 2 days later it gets a ban could be that the person who was offended by it reported it a day or so after you made it, there are times on here (on mobile especially) that reporting doesn't work for me to the point where I've closed the page and thought to myself "I'll do it later at the PC" so there is a chance that's why it didn't get moderated faster.

Just putting it out there, I'm not saying that I reported whichever post you got moderated for btw, just that mods don't see every new post on the site.

While what you point out is a factor to consider, it doesn't apply in this case. I already said in my first post that there was a window of greater than 48 hours between reports and moderation. Note that that statement of mine wasn't disputed, instead it was asked how I know.

Ah okay, sorry Rol I didn't see that post of yours, gonna guess whoever reported you included a salty PM to let you know they done the deed?

Possibly because of the wording it just required them to put their heads together and come to an agreement on moderation or not and since CGI said he's on holidays they might have waited til he checked in mod chat to chuck in his vote on the matter.

You're back now though! And I think you mentioned in another thread that this gave you a milestone of moderation's so..... silver linings and all that?



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RolStoppable said:

1. Basic reasoning. If something is an easy call to make, then the decision-making process is quick. If something takes two days to arrive at a conclusion, then it definitely wasn't an easy and clear case, unless you want to argue that the mod team was for whatever reason incapable of handling the case in a more timely manner, such as nobody was online for two days or the workload was huge. Don't forget that the mod team even got confused on which post I was supposed to get banned for; you yourself issued the error.

Correct. I did make the error, I haven't had as much practice as some of the more veteran mods you know on this website, I am a human being, however at the end of the day... I can admit I fucked up and take responsibility for that.
But with that said, you were going to get banned either way, so at the end of the day it doesn't really matter... But again... We aren't here to discuss moderation's, you are more than welcome to PM me at any time if you want me to break it down MC hammer style. Or not. Either way. Your choice.

As for the expediency of moderation's... We don't get paid to do this, we have lives, this is volunteer. - Sometimes things will take longer, sometimes shorter depending on where the planets align, it is what it is.

We are always looking at ways to improve.. But you know what would make things even easier? If people in general, like yourself would simply behave, then none of this would even be remotely necessary to begin with.

RolStoppable said:

2. It's an explanation of what happened. Surely, the mod team recognizes that it's suspicious when reports are flying in for a post that doesn't warrant multiple reports.

Suspicious? Let's not delve into conspiracy theories here and base everything on known quantifiable facts.

RolStoppable said:

3. I explained why the case from two years ago is relevant. There are notable similarities in the circumstances. Also, history is important, so you can't simply dismiss it when it doesn't suit you.

And I am just explaining how it is irrelevant.

RolStoppable said:

While what you point out is a factor to consider, it doesn't apply in this case. I already said in my first post that there was a window of greater than 48 hours between reports and moderation. Note that that statement of mine wasn't disputed, instead it was asked how I know.

I am an Aged Carer, Firefighter in two organizations, emergency services officer... And my day isn't complete without a few hours at the Gym, sometimes I am not going to get around to doing something on vgchartz when others demand it be done... I would imagine other moderators have busy lives as well, we don't put our lives on hold because someone has made a report on VGChartz, it's why we are a team.

And I actually have to ask... Does it really matter how long we take to enact a moderation? Honest question.




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RolStoppable said:

1. If we aren't here to discuss moderations - although this thread's purpose is to discuss moderation - you could have ignored my initial post. Which would have been an easy thing to do, because it wasn't quoted by anybody before.

I can do allot of things, doesn't mean I will do it.

RolStoppable said:

2. It was a revenge ban based on known quantifiable facts.

No it wasn't.
No one gets banned without deliberation between multiple moderators, those are the real facts.

And the reason why we have that policy in place is to prevent that exact type of thing that you have so eloquently have labelled. - Revenge bans.

The point of a ban is for the individual that is being banned to reflect upon their mistakes, learn from their mistakes, move on from their mistakes and hopefully be a more constructive individual going forward, you deflecting that and blame shifting it into some kind of "revenge" conspiracy just tells us you haven't learned anything from your mistake.

However... I think your initial post about this issue was pretty much on-point predicted... So if you have nothing else constructive to add other than complain or push conspiracy theories, we shall move on.

Have a nice day.

RolStoppable said:

3. Except you aren't. You are merely dismissing facts because they are inconvenient. If you acknowledged that the case from two years ago was a revenge ban (which it was), you would have a much harder time to call the most recent case as a conspiracy theory.

False.

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