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xl-klaudkil on 21 January 2017
Egelo said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

The goal shouldn't be NPD "wins" in the first place, it should be having an enticing enough product to sell at all times and be profitable, not just dumping in the loss leader months. Getting more units out there doesn't necessarily equate to success, especially if you had to do a firesale to get the product out there. Phil Spencer recently alluded as to why they're tracking Monthly Active Users now.  Running the risk of selling a console with a price cut and multiple giveaways is a huge risk if someone isn't active in the ecosystem.

So then wtf do you want ? which is it.  What dont you get, they cant compete with PS4 streight up.  They have to pick their battles and make sure they wins some.  

They need ndp wins to seem relevant, else they get nintendo'd into wiiu like irrelevence.  

They do fire sales and id even debate that since the deals between it and PS4 are always quite close.  But ill play they do em because for one it really works well for them and two the mass amount of software sales they achieve in the same time.   Them sticking to it tells me the attach ratios must be good and worth it else why continue the same losing strategy over and over.  

Jan - RE7
Feb - For Honor, HAlo wars 2 (ex)
March - Ghost Recon

They are fine, theyget all the big 3rd parties there is always someone active in its ecosystem.  Hell you are making it sound like the X1 is the freaking wiiu.   

wow what a lineup incredible....xd



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RJ_Sizzle on 21 January 2017
Egelo said:
RJ_Sizzle said:

The goal shouldn't be NPD "wins" in the first place, it should be having an enticing enough product to sell at all times and be profitable, not just dumping in the loss leader months. Getting more units out there doesn't necessarily equate to success, especially if you had to do a firesale to get the product out there. Phil Spencer recently alluded as to why they're tracking Monthly Active Users now.  Running the risk of selling a console with a price cut and multiple giveaways is a huge risk if someone isn't active in the ecosystem.

So then wtf do you want ? which is it.  What dont you get, they cant compete with PS4 streight up.  They have to pick their battles and make sure they wins some.  

They need ndp wins to seem relevant, else they get nintendo'd into wiiu like irrelevence.  

They do fire sales and id even debate that since the deals between it and PS4 are always quite close.  But ill play they do em because for one it really works well for them and two the mass amount of software sales they achieve in the same time.   Them sticking to it tells me the attach ratios must be good and worth it else why continue the same losing strategy over and over.  

Jan - RE7
Feb - For Honor, HAlo wars 2 (ex)
March - Ghost Recon

They are fine, theyget all the big 3rd parties there is always someone active in its ecosystem.  Hell you are making it sound like the X1 is the freaking wiiu.   

Slow down there, Chauncy. This is the goal of every console maker... or frankly, anyone with something to sell. You're hitting the victim mode a little too hard. Coming out on top in NPD is an irrelevant metric, really. It's interesting to talk about on the internet, or if your name is Aaron Greenberg. 2nd place doesn't mean 1st loser. Xbox 360 came out on top in most NPDs last gen, but were still neck in neck wtih PS4 sales worldwide. You don't want to spend the entire gen burning cash to get the product out there when that money could be used elsewhere.

So what's really better in the end, selling more of a product at the cost of a massive revenue loss, or selling less and making a profit? Doing fine is being able to sell the product on its own merits and gradually bringing down the price when it's cost effective, not eating away at revenue to save face for a PR move.



jason1637 on 21 January 2017
SWORDF1SH said:
jason1637 said:

Gamestop is having a deal. S350 OG Xbox 1TB and 4 games.

That could cause a shift in the Amazon charts. How long has the sale been going?

"While supplies last" It started Friday.



GribbleGrunger on 21 January 2017

4 hours since last update:

HARDWARE
#13 PS4s UC4 Bundle (same)
#29 NiS (up 3)*
#45 NES (down 3)
#50 XB1s-500gb Battlefield Bundle (down 2)
#59 PS4Pro (down 1)

SOFTWARE (pre-orders only)**
#05 NiS Breath Of The Wild (same)
#07 3DS Fire Emblem Echoes (down 1)
#09 NiS Super Bomberman R (down 1)
#10 PS4 Kingdom Hearts HD (same)
#11 WiiU Breath Of The Wild (same)
#16 PS4 Yakuza 0 (down 1)
#20 3DS DQ VII (same)
#33 PS4 Tales Of Berseria (up 7)
#98 PS4 Digimon World (re-entry)

PS4: 2 in the top 100 / 1 in the top 50 / 1 in the top 20 / 0 in the top 10 / 0 in the top 5
XB1: 2 in the top 100 / 1 in the top 50 / 0 in the top 20 / 0 in the top 10 / 0 in the top 5
NiS:  1 in the top 100 / 1 in the top 50 / 1 in the top 20 / 1 in the top 10 / 1 in the top 5

Does not affect this month: *
Software outside of the month only gets added if it's in the top 20: **



 

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Intrinsic on 21 January 2017
Egelo said:

So then wtf do you want ? which is it.  What dont you get, they cant compete with PS4 streight up.  They have to pick their battles and make sure they wins some.  

They need ndp wins to seem relevant, else they get nintendo'd into wiiu like irrelevence.  

They do fire sales and id even debate that since the deals between it and PS4 are always quite close.  But ill play they do em because for one it really works well for them and two the mass amount of software sales they achieve in the same time.   Them sticking to it tells me the attach ratios must be good and worth it else why continue the same losing strategy over and over.  

Jan - RE7
Feb - For Honor, HAlo wars 2 (ex)
March - Ghost Recon

They are fine, theyget all the big 3rd parties there is always someone active in its ecosystem.  Hell you are making it sound like the X1 is the freaking wiiu.   

Its an al round stupid strategy. The PS4 keeps winning most months because they always have something good either coming or just around the corner. All year round or globally. 

MS just seems to be making a lot of very deliberate stupid decisions. And that stupidity gets lost in the odd NPD win or three. They have a very bleak first party output, to add to that they even cancel games.... I doubt they have the luxury to be cancelling their exclusives right now. Theen they release their games on PC which gives even less reason to won an XB1. Its very telling if the most differentiating thing the XB1 has over the PS4 is that ita a 4k movie player. 

And lets not forget that last fall they spent almost twice as much on marketing (unless I am mistaken) one teh XB1 than sony did on the PS4. Yet in the first three months of the year we get more than two sony funded exclusives and nothing for the XB1. That all just screams that there money would have ben better spent adding value to their platform via exclusive content (which is all exclusives really do) than to be screaming how good a 4k bluray player it is.

I am saying all this cause I really wonder what MS is thinking. Just so many bad decisions. 



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GribbleGrunger on 21 January 2017
Intrinsic said:

Its an al round stupid strategy. The PS4 keeps winning most months because they always have something good either coming or just around the corner. All year round or globally. 

MS just seems to be making a lot of very deliberate stupid decisions. And that stupidity gets lost in the odd NPD win or three. They have a very bleak first party output, to add to that they even cancel games.... I doubt they have the luxury to be cancelling their exclusives right now. Theen they release their games on PC which gives even less reason to won an XB1. Its very telling if the most differentiating thing the XB1 has over the PS4 is that ita a 4k movie player. 

And lets not forget that last fall they spent almost twice as much on marketing (unless I am mistaken) one teh XB1 than sony did on the PS4. Yet in the first three months of the year we get more than two sony funded exclusives and nothing for the XB1. That all just screams that there money would have ben better spent adding value to their platform via exclusive content (which is all exclusives really do) than to be screaming how good a 4k bluray player it is.

I am saying all this cause I really wonder what MS is thinking. Just so many bad decisions. 

The only reason MS focused on the 4K blu-ray playing is because they wanted to confuse the 4K messaging before the Pro came out.



 

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jason1637 on 21 January 2017
GribbleGrunger said:
Intrinsic said:

Its an al round stupid strategy. The PS4 keeps winning most months because they always have something good either coming or just around the corner. All year round or globally. 

MS just seems to be making a lot of very deliberate stupid decisions. And that stupidity gets lost in the odd NPD win or three. They have a very bleak first party output, to add to that they even cancel games.... I doubt they have the luxury to be cancelling their exclusives right now. Theen they release their games on PC which gives even less reason to won an XB1. Its very telling if the most differentiating thing the XB1 has over the PS4 is that ita a 4k movie player. 

And lets not forget that last fall they spent almost twice as much on marketing (unless I am mistaken) one teh XB1 than sony did on the PS4. Yet in the first three months of the year we get more than two sony funded exclusives and nothing for the XB1. That all just screams that there money would have ben better spent adding value to their platform via exclusive content (which is all exclusives really do) than to be screaming how good a 4k bluray player it is.

I am saying all this cause I really wonder what MS is thinking. Just so many bad decisions. 

The only reason MS focused on the 4K blu-ray playing is because they wanted to confuse the 4K messaging before the Pro came out.

Or because they have the only console that support 4K blu ray and its one of the cheapest.



GribbleGrunger on 21 January 2017
jason1637 said:

Or because they have the only console that support 4K blu ray and its one of the cheapest.

They went to too greater lengths to deliberately confuse for it to be that alone.



 

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RJ_Sizzle on 21 January 2017
GribbleGrunger said:
Intrinsic said:

Its an al round stupid strategy. The PS4 keeps winning most months because they always have something good either coming or just around the corner. All year round or globally. 

MS just seems to be making a lot of very deliberate stupid decisions. And that stupidity gets lost in the odd NPD win or three. They have a very bleak first party output, to add to that they even cancel games.... I doubt they have the luxury to be cancelling their exclusives right now. Theen they release their games on PC which gives even less reason to won an XB1. Its very telling if the most differentiating thing the XB1 has over the PS4 is that ita a 4k movie player. 

And lets not forget that last fall they spent almost twice as much on marketing (unless I am mistaken) one teh XB1 than sony did on the PS4. Yet in the first three months of the year we get more than two sony funded exclusives and nothing for the XB1. That all just screams that there money would have ben better spent adding value to their platform via exclusive content (which is all exclusives really do) than to be screaming how good a 4k bluray player it is.

I am saying all this cause I really wonder what MS is thinking. Just so many bad decisions. 

The only reason MS focused on the 4K blu-ray playing is because they wanted to confuse the 4K messaging before the Pro came out.

They're still trying to confuse it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0h-u8Cwu80

 



GribbleGrunger on 21 January 2017
RJ_Sizzle said:
GribbleGrunger said:

The only reason MS focused on the 4K blu-ray playing is because they wanted to confuse the 4K messaging before the Pro came out.

They're still trying to confuse it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0h-u8Cwu80

 

That's one of the confusions I'm talking about. If anyone can watch that and not see how they're deliberately implying the XB1s is a 4K console then I'd be wary of that person from here on out. It's so obvious that it hurts my soul to see people trying their hardest to find ways around not seeing the obvious.



 

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