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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

Awesome. I guess my laptop is a handheld?

And I guess this the 1990's version of the Nintendo switch?



You could connect the AV cable and controller from a genesis to it and play it on your tv like a home console. Yet, you'll have a hard time finding anyone that would argue that the Nomad is a home console.

You can play games on your laptop while carrying it and standing/walking???? Wow thats impressive!!!!!

Yes, in many ways Nomad & TurboExpress were poorly executed early attempts at the concept Switch is aiming for. Just like the Power Glove & Sega Activator were poorly executed early attempts at motion/gesture controls that would later become popular with the Wii Remote & Kinect. Also just like the Virtual Boy was a poorly executed early attemp at a virtual reality headset which is now being tried again by a plethora of big tech companies.

 

https://www.amazon.com/Connect-A-Desk-Mobile-Laptop-Harness-Desk/dp/B001G713NO

Anyone can with this. Or you could just use a tablet-style laptop with a wireless controller. But that's besides the point. The Nomad is no home console even though it's capable of acting as one. The switch is no handheld even though it's capable of acting as one. It's a weak home console.



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potato_hamster said:

https://www.amazon.com/Connect-A-Desk-Mobile-Laptop-Harness-Desk/dp/B001G713NO

Anyone can with this. Or you could just use a tablet-style laptop with a wireless controller.

hahaha you cant be serious?

Sure a laptop is the same thing as a handheld when you physically strap it to your body.

So you can carry a tablet style laptop & a controller at the same time while actually playing it?

I honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make.



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zorg1000 said:
potato_hamster said:

https://www.amazon.com/Connect-A-Desk-Mobile-Laptop-Harness-Desk/dp/B001G713NO

Anyone can with this. Or you could just use a tablet-style laptop with a wireless controller.

hahaha you cant be serious?

Sure a laptop is the same thing as a handheld when you physically strap it to your body.

So you can carry a tablet style laptop & a controller at the same time while actually playing it?

I honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make.

That you're cherry picking your definitions of what is a handheld and what is a home console so that both appliy to the Switch. When those definitions are used to see what else would qualify it becomes obvious how ridiculous your definitions are.

Then again, you're the one that takes pretty much everything Nintendo says as biblical truth, except the part when they say the Switch is a home console. For all you know they're going to announce a successor to the 3DS next E3 and no handheld games will ever come to the Switch, but hey, keep "reading between the lines", right?



potato_hamster said:
zorg1000 said:

hahaha you cant be serious?

Sure a laptop is the same thing as a handheld when you physically strap it to your body.

So you can carry a tablet style laptop & a controller at the same time while actually playing it?

I honestly have no idea what point you are trying to make.

That you're cherry picking your definitions of what is a handheld and what is a home console so that both appliy to the Switch. When those definitions are used to see what else would qualify it becomes obvious how ridiculous your definitions are.

Then again, you're the one that takes pretty much everything Nintendo says as biblical truth, except the part when they say the Switch is a home console. For all you know they're going to announce a successor to the 3DS next E3 and no handheld games will ever come to the Switch, but hey, keep "reading between the lines", right?

You are arguing sementics and you know it.

Oh No!!!! I didn't 100% come up with the perfect definition of a handheld when I wrote a single sentance summary that took all of 10 seconds. Instead of thinking, "yeah thats a basic generalization of what a handheld is" lets argue over how other non-handheld devices can become handheld devices if you buy retarded & impractical accessories.

"Laptops are clearly handhelds!!! With this here revolutionary suspender device you can strap a laptop directly to your chest and play anywhere!!!!!" Ya man, thats totally the same thing.

I take everything Nintendo says as biblical truth? Please explain how you came to that conclusion? Like you said, I'm calling bullshit on Switch not being a successor to 3DS, pretty sure I called bullshit when they said they would continue to support Wii U as well.

Please show me a single time when I have used, "But Nintendo said it so it must be true!!!!!" or something along those lines as an argument. Guess what? You can't find one because I have never used anything remotely close to that as an argument.

Like I said in my last post, I have no clue what point you are trying to make other than arguing for the same of argument.



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Trumpstyle said:

 

I compared geforce 940m to radeon 7770(xbone gpu) and radeon had 2-3x the performance of several youtubes videos I could find so no they are not close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEHhOmlyhJQ (witcher 3 at 4:00)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxQ7PGjVnBQ


That's good. But.
Remember, the Radeon 7770 is also a GDDR5 card. Not DDR3.
The 940M is just DDR3.
DDR3 version of the 7750 was sometimes up-to 90% slower than the GDDR5 version, it would be more pronounced for a chip that has even faster hardware, like the 7770, that needs the bandwidth even more. ;)

And I think you might finally be catching onto the point.

Trumpstyle said:
Switch is underclocked 50 % which they had to otherwise it would throttle in portable mode or draw to much power and drain the battery to quickly. That's the point and there probably isnt much in mobile that will beat switch even with pascal it would had gotten maybe 50-60 % more performance which is to low to get any third party support anyway.


Rubbish. Pretty much every single flagship handset is faster than the Switch.
Every single high-end tablet is faster than the Switch.

Even when the Switch is docked, it's laughably inadequate.

There is no excuse for reducing the clockrate of the CPU and GPU in the Switch to such an extensive level other than trying to save on cost, so they can get away with a smaller battery.

Trumpstyle said:
Regarding arm bifrost gpu, this it's not some magic technology as u says, it is garbage gpu. As huawei mate 9 proves, it uses 8mp (cores) and it's performance is terrible now samsung galaxy s8 will use mp18-20 (18-20cores) with 10nm transistor so it will probably have around 100+ % more performance and beat switch. But the phone will probably throttle heavily if cpu and gpu pushed to the max at same time.

Huawei mate 9 with 8 GPU cores? Wow. I can tell that is the best BiFrost powered GPU on the market and you have won this discussion.
(BiFrost goes up to 32 Cores.)

dahuman said:

Yet Nintendo hasn't disappointed me in exclusives so I have their hardwares but that's beside the point, you are comparing it to the wrong things, no ARM tablet on the market can compete with PC power, even if the Switch is running an X1, it's still mid-high tier when mobile power and power consumption are concerned. The game changed somewhat when we realised that the Switch is also a portable device and not a full time plugged-in device.

I think you are mis-reading my intention.

I don't expect PC power in a mobile ARM chip and thus in a handheld device. (Although it would be nice.)
I want "Good enough" performance, which an ARM chip *can* provide so as to make ports more viable, frostbite can go lower than the Xbox One's hardware and still look semi-decent, but the way the Switch is right now? Not happening.

Remember. The Switch is also a stationary console. It also has to compete with the PC, Playstation 4 and Xbox One... And it also needs to compete with Android and iOS devices aswell.




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Switch just has to get 3DS (and maybe whatever is left of the Vita and Wii U userbases) owners to buy it. It doesn't need to, nor is going to compete with the PS4/XB1.

This is plainly and obviously not the system Nintendo would have made if they were interested in competing against Sony/MS. 

In fact I'm beginning to think the *main* reason the Western branches are pushing it as a "console" moniker is not because they give two shits about PS4/XB1 but because they are more worried about people looking at it and saying "oh its a tablet, I already have a tablet". They are more scared of tablets IMO, that's also why they are rushing it to market in the awkward month of March, because they are scared tablet makers will look at this idea and say "hey ... why don't we throw some cheap plastic wing controllers right in the box of our tablet and call it a console too?" ... no doubt Nintendo knows that's probably coming and wants to get at least some mileage out of the idea before the 100 other tablet makers inevitably start ripping it off. 

They are worried about tablet makers like Samsung, that makes like 20 different tablet models a year, they are more worried about them making a Samsung Galaxy Switch knock-off, not so much Sony/MS. Nintendo knows they lost that battle a long time ago. 

"Console warriors" on the internet only see things through the limited prism of Sony Vs. Nintendo Vs. Microsoft FOREVAR, things have changed a lot, Nintendo has other priorities. 



Soundwave said:

Switch just has to get 3DS (and maybe whatever is left of the Vita and Wii U userbases) owners to buy it. It doesn't need to, nor is going to compete with the PS4/XB1.

This is plainly and obviously not the system Nintendo would have made if they were interested in competing against Sony/MS. 

In fact I'm beginning to think the *main* reason the Western branches are pushing it as a "console" moniker is not because they give two shits about PS4/XB1 but because they are more worried about people looking at it and saying "oh its a tablet, I already have a tablet". They are more scared of tablets IMO, that's also why they are rushing it to market in the awkward month of March, because they are scared tablet makers will look at this idea and say "hey ... why don't we throw some cheap plastic wing controllers right in the box of our tablet and call it a console too?" ... no doubt Nintendo knows that's probably coming and wants to get at least some mileage out of the idea before the 100 other tablet makers inevitably start ripping it off. 

They are worried about tablet makers like Samsung, that makes like 20 different tablet models a year, they are more worried about them making a Samsung Galaxy Switch knock-off, not so much Sony/MS. Nintendo knows they lost that battle a long time ago. 

"Console warriors" on the internet only see things through the limited prism of Sony Vs. Nintendo Vs. Microsoft FOREVAR, things have changed a lot, Nintendo has other priorities. 

And releasing a weaker "console" in a market that has been running for 3years is suddenly a good idea?



m_csquare said:
Soundwave said:

Switch just has to get 3DS (and maybe whatever is left of the Vita and Wii U userbases) owners to buy it. It doesn't need to, nor is going to compete with the PS4/XB1.

This is plainly and obviously not the system Nintendo would have made if they were interested in competing against Sony/MS. 

In fact I'm beginning to think the *main* reason the Western branches are pushing it as a "console" moniker is not because they give two shits about PS4/XB1 but because they are more worried about people looking at it and saying "oh its a tablet, I already have a tablet". They are more scared of tablets IMO, that's also why they are rushing it to market in the awkward month of March, because they are scared tablet makers will look at this idea and say "hey ... why don't we throw some cheap plastic wing controllers right in the box of our tablet and call it a console too?" ... no doubt Nintendo knows that's probably coming and wants to get at least some mileage out of the idea before the 100 other tablet makers inevitably start ripping it off. 

They are worried about tablet makers like Samsung, that makes like 20 different tablet models a year, they are more worried about them making a Samsung Galaxy Switch knock-off, not so much Sony/MS. Nintendo knows they lost that battle a long time ago. 

"Console warriors" on the internet only see things through the limited prism of Sony Vs. Nintendo Vs. Microsoft FOREVAR, things have changed a lot, Nintendo has other priorities. 

And releasing a weaker "console" in a market that has been running for 3years is suddenly a good idea?

Switch is a "console" only in marketing terms. It is not a competitor for the PS4/XB1, people need to just get over that already. It's a mobile chipset in a mobile form factor with a mobile battery and a mobile display that just has a $5 plastic dock for HDMI pass through thrown in. 

There is no place left for Nintendo in that market, even MS is having trouble getting scraps from Sony's table, Nintendo would be left with just bread crumbs. 

Nintendo's window to compete in that market has long since closed, and they can blame themselves for it, but there's nothing unless you have a time machine that can go back to 1995 or 2000 handy that can be done about that now. 

Sony/MS even took a giant dump on the whole "Nintendo should one-up Sony/MS with a more powerful console!!! Yeaaaa DUDE!" line of logic, because Scorpio and PS4 Pro kinda corner the market on what you can put into a $300-$400 box, had Nintendo made the "generic PS4 competitor console" and chosen a "sensible" chip like a 2.5 TFLOP Polaris like many people thought was a great idea, they'd be totally fucked right now by Sony/MS releasing mid-gen refreshes. 



dahuman said:
curl-6 said:

The fully clocked X1 runs at 1GHz, so Switch runs at just 30% of that when portable.

 

The issue is not that its running an X1, the issue is that its clockspeed has been absolutely crippled.

You are right that it's lowered, and I don't like to base anything on rumors but, if it's going to run at 720p max(possibly lower but upscaled as well) in portable mode, it won't be as shitty as some people think it will be. I'm more excited on the fact that we'll actually see good looking mobile games whereas even though my S7 Edge has Vulkan and can run UE4, almost no games are currently taking advantage of it due to too many hardware variations on the mobile market whereas the Switch won't be bottlenecked by the problem.

problem isn't going to be the graphics being lower than 720p (upscaled) the problem will be how much compromise are devs willing to take to port the games and the sales they need to get to justificate it



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Soundwave said:

Switch just has to get 3DS (and maybe whatever is left of the Vita and Wii U userbases) owners to buy it. It doesn't need to, nor is going to compete with the PS4/XB1.

This is plainly and obviously not the system Nintendo would have made if they were interested in competing against Sony/MS. 

In fact I'm beginning to think the *main* reason the Western branches are pushing it as a "console" moniker is not because they give two shits about PS4/XB1 but because they are more worried about people looking at it and saying "oh its a tablet, I already have a tablet". They are more scared of tablets IMO, that's also why they are rushing it to market in the awkward month of March, because they are scared tablet makers will look at this idea and say "hey ... why don't we throw some cheap plastic wing controllers right in the box of our tablet and call it a console too?" ... no doubt Nintendo knows that's probably coming and wants to get at least some mileage out of the idea before the 100 other tablet makers inevitably start ripping it off. 

They are worried about tablet makers like Samsung, that makes like 20 different tablet models a year, they are more worried about them making a Samsung Galaxy Switch knock-off, not so much Sony/MS. Nintendo knows they lost that battle a long time ago. 

"Console warriors" on the internet only see things through the limited prism of Sony Vs. Nintendo Vs. Microsoft FOREVAR, things have changed a lot, Nintendo has other priorities. 

Problem is that one chinese company already kickstarted this design (i'm ignoring shield tv at the moment), but for western yes, Switch will be the first show.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."