Lawlight said: I'm still waiting for the 80% list of AAA studios that went bust since 2006.

 

The EA executive has all the info. I'm sure that with EA's fantastic customer service, you can set up an appointment with him and ask him where he got the 80% number from. His name is in the first link. I trust him, but thats just me.

zorg1000 said: SonytendoAmiibo said:   Do you have a link to Iwata-san's statement regarding HD development? I would like to read what he said. Like I said in a previous post, I think Nintendo is keeping their systems lower power for very real reasons. Cost of game development being one of them. http://www.ign.com/articles/2005/03/11/gdc-2005-iwata-keynote-transcript

 

Thanks for the link. I will read it.

SonytendoAmiibo said: Lawlight said: I'm still waiting for the 80% list of AAA studios that went bust since 2006.   The EA executive has all the info. I'm sure that with EA's fantastic customer service, you can set up an appointment with him and ask him where he got the 80% number from. His name is in the first link. I trust him, but thats just me.

Dude, seriously...have you read the article beyond the clickbait title? The guy says that there are 4 times less AAA games in development because the team's size increased 4 times. Not because there have been 100 studios closed.

Safiir said: SonytendoAmiibo said:   The EA executive has all the info. I'm sure that with EA's fantastic customer service, you can set up an appointment with him and ask him where he got the 80% number from. His name is in the first link. I trust him, but thats just me. Dude, seriously...have you read the article beyond the clickbait title? The guy says that there are 4 times less AAA games in development because the team's size increased 4 times. Not because there have been 100 studios closed.

 

Of course I did. Devs who used to work for the now defunct 100 studios dont just magically vaporize when they lose their jobs. (POOF) They get new jobs at another studio. But there are way less studios now working on AAA games. That is what the article says. That 80% of the studios working on AAA games are gone. And all the devs that worked for thoses studios now work at a smaller number of bigger AAA development studios. Meaning we have lost a lot of AAA studios, but not the devs that worked at those studios. Soon there will be one AAA studio to rule them all and it will be called EA.

Who's fault is that? The companies. They are trying to constantly figuring out a way to "improve" on something. In order to give us another reason to buy again. 4K is just another way. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. But, there are times where good is good enough. What are these companies gonna do. When they hit a wall. Where pixels won't matter to people, anymore. You can't hid your shit game, behind 20K resolution. At some point. Just like how moveis can't throw CGI at it. And get free ticket sales anymore.

Lafiel said: FunFan said: Too polite. Too much restrain by not mentioninig console manufacturers involvement. what is the alternative for them? not showing off what their machine is capable off will negatively impact public opinion and buyer interest in their product people will think "my old console is still good enough" or "the competition looks much more desireable"

This is going to fail. Sooner or later. There will be a point. And now, with intcreimental console upgrades. A chunk of people will go. "My PS6.5 doesn't look any different than that PS7. I don't need it. Same goes for phone and TV companies. You can add only so much. Till there's nothing left.

archer9234 said: Who's fault is that? The companies. They are trying to constantly figuring out a way to "improve" on something. In order to give us another reason to buy again. 4K is just another way. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. But, there are times where good is good enough. What are these companies gonna do. When they hit a wall. Where pixels won't matter to people, anymore. You can't hid your shit game, behind 20K resolution. At some point. Just like how moveis can't throw CGI at it. And get free ticket sales anymore. Lafiel said: what is the alternative for them? not showing off what their machine is capable off will negatively impact public opinion and buyer interest in their product people will think "my old console is still good enough" or "the competition looks much more desireable" This is going to fail. Sooner or later. There will be a point. And now, with intcreimental console upgrades. A chunk of people will go. "My PS6.5 doesn't look any different than that PS7. I don't need it. Same goes for phone and TV companies. You can add only so much. Till there's nothing left.

 

Absolutely. Graphics is a bell curve. The PS3/Xbox360 generation already hit the top of the bell curve. To get just a little bit more graphics, the PS4 had to be 10 times more powerful than the PS3. For just a small increase in graphics 10 times more power was needed. We are already at a point where we are seeing diminishing returns in graphics with exponential increases in power.

Normchacho said: No it isn't. This narrow minded crusaide against "graphics" is silly and is driven by a mix of egocentrism, selective memory, and rossy retrospection. There are games coming out constantly this generation in all shapes and sizes and I don't understand how people don't see that. To illistrate my point: The PS4 has averaged 35 games a month since it's release compared to 31 games for the PS2 and 26 games for the PS3.   Game development is fine, and more importantly has become far more democratized.

This, please listen to this guys...... The PS4 is getting a crap ton of games. I can pretty much promise I spend more time gaming than most of you guys and I can not even keep up with all of the great games being released..... (My backlog is huge)

 

It does not matter if a game is AAA, AA, or Indie we are getting more (good) games now than we did on the PS2 over its lifespan (imo anyway)

SonytendoAmiibo said: Safiir said: Dude, seriously...have you read the article beyond the clickbait title? The guy says that there are 4 times less AAA games in development because the team's size increased 4 times. Not because there have been 100 studios closed.   Of course I did. Devs who used to work for the now defunct 100 studios dont just magically vaporize when they lose their jobs. (POOF) They get new jobs at another studio. But there are way less studios now working on AAA games. That is what the article says. That 80% of the studios working on AAA games are gone. And all the devs that worked for thoses studios now work at a smaller number of bigger AAA development studios. Meaning we have lost a lot of AAA studios, but not the devs that worked at those studios. Soon there will be one AAA studio to rule them all and it will be called EA.

Of course there are less studios working on AAA games :/ What's wrong with that? The upper ceiling of budgets in games is constantly increasing due to games becoming mainstream. Which in turn means that fewer companies can afford to hit that ceiling. What we have is a broader spectrum of games compared to the previous generations. Which is AWESOME! We have the big blockbuster games (AAA games), we have more niche and significantly cheaper games which appeal much more than AAA games to the audience their aimed at and we have the indie games which could very well be hugely succesful but in any case allow for their developers (nearly) full creative freedom.

How can it get any better? Trully it has never been a better time to be a gamer. IMO of course, but considering the huge amount of options one has...I don't see how anyone can contest that.

Edit: Yeah I forgot to address the part about 100 studios being defunct - again where do you get that information? The EA guy says there are 100 studio less making AAA games. Not that those 100 have closed down. It's quite the leap to think they stopped making games altogether :/

Gaming has certainly gotten more expensive, and it's definitely harder on third parties. For all of Nintendo's issues this gen, making a profit on their games is probably not one of them, given that 1st party titles don't split the pie as much.

Playing big can pay off though: 500 million off Destiny payed off after all