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KLXVER said:
Name three big PC exclusives of 2016 and I might agree with you...

They're indie games, when 1,000s of them are unleashed on Steam every year there's bound to be a percentage with great scores. You can confirm it for yourself http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/new-releases/pc/metascore

Recent top scoring PC exclusives seem to be: Owlboy, Candle Burly Men at Sea, Shu, Planet Coaster, GoNNer, Creepy Castle, Wuppo etc

I only know heard about 2 of those games.

Actually would be a fun game, to guess how many top scoring pc games you can recognize lol.



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Turkish said:
KLXVER said:
Name three big PC exclusives of 2016 and I might agree with you...

They're indie games, when 1,000s of them are unleashed on Steam every year there's bound to be a percentage with great scores. You can confirm it for yourself http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/new-releases/pc/metascore

Recent top scoring PC exclusives seem to be: Owlboy, Candle Burly Men at Sea, Shu, Planet Coaster, GoNNer, Creepy Castle, Wuppo etc

I only know heard about 2 of those games.

Actually would be a fun game, to guess how many top scoring pc games you can recognize lol.

You make it sound as if not knowing great games is somehow a negative of the platform they're on.

Sounds more like a lack of knowledge in a self proclaimed gamer.



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Turkish said:
KLXVER said:
Name three big PC exclusives of 2016 and I might agree with you...

They're indie games, when 1,000s of them are unleashed on Steam every year there's bound to be a percentage with great scores. You can confirm it for yourself http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/new-releases/pc/metascore

Recent top scoring PC exclusives seem to be: Owlboy, Candle Burly Men at Sea, Shu, Planet Coaster, GoNNer, Creepy Castle, Wuppo etc

I only know heard about 2 of those games.

Actually would be a fun game, to guess how many top scoring pc games you can recognize lol.

lol, a large chunk (maybe the vast majority) of the PS4 and Xbone "great exclusives" from the MC article referenced in the OP are smaller indie/digital titles.



Ka-pi96 said:
Turkish said:

They're indie games, when 1,000s of them are unleashed on Steam every year there's bound to be a percentage with great scores. You can confirm it for yourself http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/new-releases/pc/metascore

Recent top scoring PC exclusives seem to be: Owlboy, Candle Burly Men at Sea, Shu, Planet Coaster, GoNNer, Creepy Castle, Wuppo etc

I only know heard about 2 of those games.

Actually would be a fun game, to guess how many top scoring pc games you can recognize lol.

Can`t the same be said for consoles? Indie games often seem to be some of the top scoring games on those too.

Not really, usually those indies also release on PC as well, often earlier.

Some people may get defensive but it is what it is, there's no harm in pointing out the majority of the high ranking games are indies. It doesn't add nor take away their quality. The barrier of developing PC games is really low, the lower the barrier the more games it gets, thus relatively more games with high scores. Same with mobiles btw.



Turkish said:
KLXVER said:
Name three big PC exclusives of 2016 and I might agree with you...

They're indie games, when 1,000s of them are unleashed on Steam every year there's bound to be a percentage with great scores. You can confirm it for yourself http://www.metacritic.com/browse/games/release-date/new-releases/pc/metascore

Recent top scoring PC exclusives seem to be: Owlboy, Candle Burly Men at Sea, Shu, Planet Coaster, GoNNer, Creepy Castle, Wuppo etc

I only know heard about 2 of those games.

Actually would be a fun game, to guess how many top scoring pc games you can recognize lol.

the only game from that list that tells me something is owlboy (only because it sound like oldboy), but never heard anything from the rest.



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OdinHades said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

the online community was lively then, and still is now. that's the point, what a joke right?

PC communities are just as lively if not more. Userbase on Steam is bigger than on PS4, Counter-Strike is by far the most played FPS of all and that's just Steam. I didn't find any stats right now, but I also can't complain about the activity at Battlefield 4 and 1. I always find games instantly im every game mode.

 

It's really ok to prefer whatever platform you like. It's not ok to pull arguments out your ass though. Free online is, was and always will be a pretty big plus. It also doesn't stop with the normal use. On PC you can also set up your very own server. So if some dev decides they kill some Online Game you really like, you can still play it with some friends, no problem. 

battlefield online activity is pretty bad, now how about gears of war 4, or titanfall and many others with long match making times. Am I suppose to be impressed with 2 games going over 100k players? what am I pulling out of my ass now? Now you want to boast about how big steam userbase is.. I don't see anything to boast about when the majority of them only care about playing counter-strike and Dota 2.

Look, I got no probs with free online, all I said was I don't find it to be a good selling point anymore. but the fact of the matter remains, if you want fast match making at any given time, you'll find it on consoles whether it is free or not. Why is this truth so hard to understand?



Turkish said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Can`t the same be said for consoles? Indie games often seem to be some of the top scoring games on those too.

Not really, usually those indies also release on PC as well, often earlier.

Some people may get defensive but it is what it is, there's no harm in pointing out the majority of the high ranking games are indies. It doesn't add nor take away their quality. The barrier of developing PC games is really low, the lower the barrier the more games it gets, thus relatively more games with high scores. Same with mobiles btw.

Except that making a good game has actually a very high skill cap. None of the good rated games take advantage of that lower barrier because they don't need it.

Same with mobiles btw.



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Lawlight said:

RTS and MOBAs are genres that don't interest console gamers much though there are a few like the PixelJunk games, Anomaly, Smite or C&C.

TBS games are still available on consoles though they're not very popular - games like Valkyrie Chronicles, Legend of War, Nobunga's Ambition or X-Com. Disgaea is another one.

Not sure what you mean by simulation - racing or stuff like Farming Simulator?

MMOs - FFXIV, Neverwinter, Elder Scrolls, DC Universe Online, Planetside 2.

So, essentially, those genres are there - there's just not a lot of demand for them. If the game requires a Kb+m then it can't be fun to me.

Let's see how Halo Wars 2 does before we make the assumption on how well RTS games tend to interest console gamers, pretty sure the first Halo Wars did okay, otherwise it wouldn't have warranted a sequel.

Smaller games like Sanctum, Defense Grid did alright as well.

Tom Clancy's: End War took advantage of voice recognition to lend a hand in gameplay that worked fairly well.

Then you have the "God" RTS games like Black and White on PC. In my opinion a massively missed opportunity by Microsoft not to bring that franchise to the Xbox 360/Xbox One. Kinect would have been amazing for it, it might have even changed peoples opinions on Kinect.

Half the problem I think though with many of these Genre's is that Developers simply haven't figured out a way on how to translate them well over to console from PC yet... For example, console First Person shooters used to be the laughing stock of the entire gaming industry untill Halo burst onto the scene and did FPS right for the first time. (Golden Eye and Perfect Dark was great. But the PC still had the edge.)

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As for MOBA's. Well. Overwatch sort-of falls into the category as it takes elements of a MOBA and packages it as an FPS. It sold millions, so obviously there is demand if it's a game that is done right on console, plus Battleborn despite all it's cons and it's rapid population decline sold millions as well.

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You are right there are TBS games on consoles, but they are also not in the same league as Civilization, Settlers or Heroes of Might and Magic, this is the PC's Forte'. Always has. Always will, the PC has higher quality exclusives in this Genre and more of them.


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As for Simulation... You have "Simulators" like Sim City, the Sims, Cities Skyline and then "Space Simulators" which take the scope a little farther out. Like Star Citizen.
Those Genre's are in a pretty pitiful state on console...

I always said that Microsoft needed to resurrect the Freelancer franchise and bring it to the Xbox 360, it is a game that can translate to a console controller fairly well... And then Star Citizen happened which just reaffirmed the idea that demand existed.

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The PC has the most expensive MMO ever made. Also has the MMO with the most gamers. Also has the most MMO's and the highest quality MMO's.
Here is a list of almost a few hundred, majority on PC.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_games

Basically Real Time Strategy, Turn Based Strategy, Massive Multiplayer Online, Multiplayer Online Battle Arena, Sims, Space Simulators on console just aren't up to the same quality as the PC. And that is perfectly fine.



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Controller vs Keyboard+Mouse is completely personal preference. I am happy to use both. I have USB PS2+Xbox 360+N64+SNES+Gamecube controllers for my PC.
Most games will allow you to remap the buttons to a gamepad, Steam in big picture mode is perfect on a controller and a TV.

The only issue I see is with Multiplayer games, you will always be beaten by a Keyboard and Mouse. Always. Controllers are slower and less accurate, that doesn't make them bad however.

think-man said:

Why is it that pc gamer's always feel the need to convince us they are better? If they really were would we need to be reminded every 5 minutes lol its like they have a point to prove or something. Reminds me of when you are in school and theres little fat loser kid who thinks he knows it all but everyone can't stand him cause he's annoying asf xD

Anyway pc gaming doesn't suit my lifestyle atm, im always on the move so something small and easy to travel with is more convenient for me. I know people would probably say get a gaming laptop or something but those are 3-4 times the price of a ps4 usually lol so why would i buy one when i can buy a ps4 and a huge library of games for less than a gaming laptop with no games.

Yes we do need to constantly remind you. We are the Master Race. All your games are belong to us.

And why would you buy a Laptop over a PS4? Well. A PS4 isn't portable. It also isn't a platform that can be used for more than just gaming and media consumption either, so it's not convenient.

The PC's library of games is "Huger" than the Playstation 4. It has more games than the Playstation 4, Xbox One, Wii U combined. - Heck, throw the PS3 into that as well for good measure if you want. The games are also cheaper, there is free online.
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SvennoJ said:
KBG29 said:

As a console and handheld only gamer I have to fully disagree with this. I absolutly want all of those games on console. Consoles support mouse and keyboard, and those games would be amazing on my 75" TV. 

For me Xbox and PlayStation are much more appealing, and now with Switch Nintendo is looking very appealing as well. I just prefer the optimized experience over what feels like a mess on PC.

It's not so amazing to play them on the couch though, I've done it with a projector and 92" screen. Sounds big, yet you pretty much have the same field of view as sitting behind a desk with a pc monitor. The advantage of a desk, besides a place for kb+m, is that you can always lean in to take a closer look, not so effective when you have to move a whole lot further to get a closer look at that 75" screen. I found myself going back to my desk as the big screen didn't add anything to those kind of games, it merely made it less convenient to play.

Ofcourse nothings stops you from playing a console behind a desk, but I guess the market for that is pretty small. Plus it wouldn't be an optimized for couch+tv experience anymore.

I am part of that market. Have the PS4 Pro hooked to the 75" in the living room, the 1200 series is hooked up to a 43" in the bed room, and the OG model is hooked up to a 32" monitor in the office. Then again, I am one of the very few that doesn't own a PC, and uses PS4 for streaming, banking, gaming, trading, video editing, ect. 



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Pemalite said:
 
 

Yes we do need to constantly remind you. We are the Master Race. All your games are belong to us.

 

out of all that stuff you posted, and that giant list of free to play MMOs, only one game interest me. Star Citizen (currently a backer)

Good thing I own gaming consoles too, that should make me above the master race. Yeah, God Gamer Race. we should remind you peepz that only own one platform.