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Hapuc12 on 17 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
Hapuc12 said:

Well on religion side We have Bible,Quran,Torah etc etc books that have existed for 1000+ years telling for example how God helped Moses Split the red sea etc etc.

But i never said it is irrational i'm just finding it odd that Atheist are so against anything religios belief that some even think it's the source off all evil nothing else,that's the thing that boggles my mind.

But i don't want to debate (let's call it a debate) anymore people can choose to believe anything they want or too believe in nothing at all.

Yeah, and Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology and Roman mythology are thousands of years old too, does that mean they're correct as well? And if so, how can everyone be correct? Obviously religion isn't the source of all evil, but there's no denying the violent implications of religious texts.

Sure but which text told Stalin to Create one of the biggest Massacres in History,World war one 1 was caused by an Atheist,Red October event that would give birth to Communism,World War 2 (Hitler was an Austrian Jew and hated them and Christianity in the end) The rise of People's Republic of China.

And you are gonna bring People kill because of Religion.

Theists killed more than one million people in a span of centuries, Atheists killed more than one million people in a few years, if not months just look at Stalin he killed 20 million in a Span of 4 to 5 years.



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Soundwave on 17 December 2016

I would say at this point religion is more of a negative for humanity than a positive. I don't really see it being much of a positive right now.

Yes Stalin and Hitler killed lots of power but that highlights another type evil, which is hyper nationalism. That is basically in effect very similar to religious like fanaticism, it just happens that the "god" in that scenario is the state. It's basically just another form of religion. 



VGPolyglot on 17 December 2016
Hapuc12 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, and Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology and Roman mythology are thousands of years old too, does that mean they're correct as well? And if so, how can everyone be correct? Obviously religion isn't the source of all evil, but there's no denying the violent implications of religious texts.

Sure but which text told Stalin to Create one of the biggest Massacres in History,World war one 1 was caused by an Atheist,Red October event that would give birth to Communism,World War 2 (Hitler was an Austrian Jew and hated them and Christianity in the end) The rise of People's Republic of China.

And you are gonna bring People kill because of Religion.

Theists killed more than one million people in a span of centuries, Atheists killed more than one million people in a few years, if not months just look at Stalin he killed 20 million in a Span of 4 to 5 years.

I just said that religion isn't the source of all evil. Also, you seem to group atheists all together as if we're a unified group: atheism is just a generic term for someone who doesn't believe in God. That would be like grouping all theists together and making no distinctions between their beliefs. We may not have religious beliefs, but we do have moral beliefs that vary depending on the individual. Hitler was not an atheist, so I'm not sure why you referred to him. Also, I'm not sure who you're referring to when you say that an atheist started World War I.



Hapuc12 on 17 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
Hapuc12 said:

Sure but which text told Stalin to Create one of the biggest Massacres in History,World war one 1 was caused by an Atheist,Red October event that would give birth to Communism,World War 2 (Hitler was an Austrian Jew and hated them and Christianity in the end) The rise of People's Republic of China.

And you are gonna bring People kill because of Religion.

Theists killed more than one million people in a span of centuries, Atheists killed more than one million people in a few years, if not months just look at Stalin he killed 20 million in a Span of 4 to 5 years.

I just said that religion isn't the source of all evil. Also, you seem to group atheists all together as if we're a unified group: atheism is just a generic term for someone who doesn't believe in God. That would be like grouping all theists together and making no distinctions between their beliefs. We may not have religious beliefs, but we do have moral beliefs that vary depending on the individual. Hitler was not an atheist, so I'm not sure why you referred to him. Also, I'm not sure who you're referring to when you say that an atheist started World War I.

The Black hand of Serbia they are the ones that people say killed Ferdinand and Assassins believe in god.

WW2 was a result of WW1 just revenge same Plot Different Characters.

Everyone has moral beliefs on individual more then on there religion that is stupid argument to bring imo.

And i didn't say i'm grouping them in same category i said a lot of them do that.



setsunatenshi on 17 December 2016
Hapuc12 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Yeah, and Greek mythology, Egyptian mythology and Roman mythology are thousands of years old too, does that mean they're correct as well? And if so, how can everyone be correct? Obviously religion isn't the source of all evil, but there's no denying the violent implications of religious texts.

Sure but which text told Stalin to Create one of the biggest Massacres in History,World war one 1 was caused by an Atheist,Red October event that would give birth to Communism,World War 2 (Hitler was an Austrian Jew and hated them and Christianity in the end) The rise of People's Republic of China.

And you are gonna bring People kill because of Religion.

Theists killed more than one million people in a span of centuries, Atheists killed more than one million people in a few years, if not months just look at Stalin he killed 20 million in a Span of 4 to 5 years.

you're arguing a strawman by now, this is starting to sound like youtube apologetics circa 2005.

'atheism' is not a set of beliefs or a religion like you proposed a few posts ago. being an atheist tells nothing about any person's set of beliefs or moral or politics. it only means that people does not believe in any type of gods. btw buddhists are for the most part atheist as well just fyi



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Hapuc12 on 17 December 2016
setsunatenshi said:
Hapuc12 said:

So there is a god if big bang happened something must have "will it to happen"since you can't say from nothing came everything that doesn't make sence.

But you believe god doesn't exist so you believe in something doesn't that contradict Athiesm belief in nothing.

And you say Atheism is lack of believe ok ,you are a gamer i don't know which platform you prefer but let's say you prefer PS4 you chose that console because you believe that console gives you the best experience out of other so that still is some sort of belief

And Trying to disprove God with our narrow knowledge of physics is like being given only a hammer to build a house. Every problem looks like a nail.

But if they exist in like you say other reality so that means that they still exist and you must take into account infinite parallel universes exists so in many of those universes could exist a god (or many gods) and even an afterlife. And who knows? Maybe our universe is one of those and or all of our universes could have been created by Omnipotent god.

you really shouldn't talk about physics if you do not understand the basics of it, especially not with someone whose university degree is in physics.

also there is no 'before' the big bang, since for all we know time and space literally began with the big bang, so if time did not exist, there is no 'before'

 

it's fine to believe whatever you want, it's not my job to try and convince you otherwise and I really don't care to convince anyone their particular god probably does not exist. just realize you have no evidence for it and definitely do not try to push it as a default position. man created god in its own image, not the other way around

What do you mean there is no before big bang something must have been there to create it.

You can't say from nothing came everything that would defy your own belief "Scientific reason" there is no science backing nothing to everything something must have been there.



Hapuc12 on 17 December 2016
setsunatenshi said:
Hapuc12 said:

Sure but which text told Stalin to Create one of the biggest Massacres in History,World war one 1 was caused by an Atheist,Red October event that would give birth to Communism,World War 2 (Hitler was an Austrian Jew and hated them and Christianity in the end) The rise of People's Republic of China.

And you are gonna bring People kill because of Religion.

Theists killed more than one million people in a span of centuries, Atheists killed more than one million people in a few years, if not months just look at Stalin he killed 20 million in a Span of 4 to 5 years.

you're arguing a strawman by now, this is starting to sound like youtube apologetics circa 2005.

'atheism' is not a set of beliefs or a religion like you proposed a few posts ago. being an atheist tells nothing about any person's set of beliefs or moral or politics. it only means that people does not believe in any type of gods. btw buddhists are for the most part atheist as well just fyi

"it only means that people does not believe in any type of gods" that is the flaw in Atheism,that i can't understand you Don't believe in god ok but you believe god doesn't exist that is still a belief doesn't that Contradicts Atheism itself.

Well Didn't Atheism Derive in some sort from Hinduizm or Buddhism i can't remember "so i'm not surprised that much"



VGPolyglot on 17 December 2016
Hapuc12 said:
VGPolyglot said:

I just said that religion isn't the source of all evil. Also, you seem to group atheists all together as if we're a unified group: atheism is just a generic term for someone who doesn't believe in God. That would be like grouping all theists together and making no distinctions between their beliefs. We may not have religious beliefs, but we do have moral beliefs that vary depending on the individual. Hitler was not an atheist, so I'm not sure why you referred to him. Also, I'm not sure who you're referring to when you say that an atheist started World War I.

The Black hand of Serbia they are the ones that people say killed Ferdinand and Assassins believe in god.

WW2 was a result of WW1 just revenge same Plot Different Characters.

Everyone has moral beliefs on individual more then on there religion that is stupid argument to bring imo.

And i didn't say i'm grouping them in same category i said a lot of them do that.

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time understanding what you said. Your first sentence seems to contradict what you said before, because now you're saying that the perpetrators are religious, when you just said beforehand that they were atheists. The point that I was making with moral beliefs is that atheism is a generic term, unlike say Christianity and Islam which are specific religious beliefs, so other than the fact that they have don't believe in God nothing else can be deduced.



VGPolyglot on 17 December 2016
Hapuc12 said:
setsunatenshi said:

you're arguing a strawman by now, this is starting to sound like youtube apologetics circa 2005.

'atheism' is not a set of beliefs or a religion like you proposed a few posts ago. being an atheist tells nothing about any person's set of beliefs or moral or politics. it only means that people does not believe in any type of gods. btw buddhists are for the most part atheist as well just fyi

"it only means that people does not believe in any type of gods" that is the flaw in Atheism,that i can't understand you Don't believe in god ok but you believe god doesn't exist that is still a belief doesn't that Contradicts Atheism itself.

Well Didn't Atheism Derive in some sort from Hinduizm or Buddhism i can't remember "so i'm not surprised that much"

There's different types of atheists. There's those like me who don't believe in God, but I am not going to say that God does not exist (although I can say that the Abrahamic God almost certainly does not exist), instead I'm saying that I won't believe in one until one is proven to exist. There are othre atheists who explicitly state that there are no Gods.



Hapuc12 on 17 December 2016
VGPolyglot said:
Hapuc12 said:

The Black hand of Serbia they are the ones that people say killed Ferdinand and Assassins believe in god.

WW2 was a result of WW1 just revenge same Plot Different Characters.

Everyone has moral beliefs on individual more then on there religion that is stupid argument to bring imo.

And i didn't say i'm grouping them in same category i said a lot of them do that.

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time understanding what you said. Your first sentence seems to contradict what you said before, because now you're saying that the perpetrators are religious, when you just said beforehand that they were atheists. The point that I was making with moral beliefs is that atheism is a generic term, unlike say Christianity and Islam which are specific religious beliefs, so other than the fact that they have don't believe in God nothing else can be deduced.

When i said "Assassins believe in god" it was Sarcasm nothing else.

So that's what i wanted to know if atheism stands for "doesn't believe in god" they are the Same as Islam And Christianity One believes one Doesn't it,it is still a religion belief in nothing.