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Azuren on 13 December 2016
Ruler said:

And almost the entire rest of the world including Saudi Arabia, China and the EU did the same thing for Hillary, including donations

Good God, it can't get any more true than this. 



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GhaudePhaede010 on 13 December 2016
pokoko said:
It's absolutely astounding that people are trying to discredit this simply because they supported Trump.

Get over yourself. It doesn't fucking matter who you supported. Leave your bloody, stupid party politics at the door.

The important thing is that a foreign country was taking covert and illegal actions to influence the election of the President of the United States. That cannot be allowed. It helped your candidate get elected so you're alright with it? Grow up. It could very well be reversed next time. No one should ever be alright with that, regardless of who won.

This needs to be taken seriously in Washington--and I assume it will be taken seriously, as I'm sure the CIA is aware that this is more important than just the Trump and Clinton Show.

I also would like to add that steps should be taken to tighten security oversight and implement tougher punishments for cases like the Hilary Clinton and Colin Powell email screw-ups.

I read through thirteen pages... are you the only person that actually gets it? What is wrong with everyone else posting in here. This is a major problem that everyone should be outraged over, no matter who won this election. A foreign country tried to influence another domestic nation's affairs and the people of the domestic nation are OK with it? The fuck? Not to mention the relationship between Russia and America has been, "tumultous" at best over the last few years.



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Scisca on 13 December 2016

News by the washington post - enough said


Listen up. Most of you know my attitude towards Russia. And the relationship my country has with Russia. Let's just say, it's not all sunshine and roses. In fact, we consider a war with Russia in the upcoming years a real possibility. Still, over here we're celebrating Trump's victory and everyone is happy that Clinton lost - go figure. The Clintons got way more Russian money over the years than Trump ever did and there is no doubt over here that Trump will be better for us than Clinton. Clintons are all cozy with Putin. So yeah, don't believe all this "Trump is so pro-Russian!" racket. Countries that have serious business with Russia and are really threatened by it were all for him. That's how credible and anti-Russian Clinton is.



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Soundwave on 13 December 2016

Follow the money.

Russia has massive oil interests that were crippled by sanctions from the US in response to the Crimea situation in Ukraine.

Exxon Mobil in particular had been hard hit as they had business contracts with the Russian government. The sanctions cost them $1 billion at least.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/02/27/heres-what-exxons-lost-from-russia-sanctions/#1d7214a856b3

They also have other significant interests in the Russian oil business. In fact I believe Exxon Mobil has technology, without this tech Russia can't actively drill oil properly in certain regions.

So, guess who Trump's pick for Secretary of State is? The president of Exxon Mobile (lol) who was given a "friendship" award by Putin.

It's fairly obvious and even transparent what happened here. And really it was a great investment on the Russian's part, those sanctions on Russia which could were crippling their economy are as good as gone now. Even if they paid a few hundred million or channelled the money into some of Trump's Russian business assets (which would be hard/impossible to trace), it's a slam dunk investment, because the return is far greater. 

You can blame Clinton as much as you want for donor money, but enough with the "holier than thou" bullshit that Trump wasn't bought either. He was, just from different sources, and many of the same ones on top of that (don't tell me all those Goldman Sachs people just coincidentally got high level positions in Trump's cabinet).



UnderstatedCornHole on 13 December 2016
deskpro2k3 said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

Put some substance across "please". You might believe what you are saying, but that doesn't meet the bar for discussion to just chuck words down without backing them up.

You have consistently misrepresented facts. In this post alone you have stated wrongly that Trump said he wouldn't accept the results of the election if he lost. He said he would have to look at it at the time, something any politican should say and do. That is the pragmatic way to do things.

But that isn't the point either, the point is you are making things up that Trump did not say or you could not possibly know.

That just makes you sound completely biased and to be honest is insulting to fellow members of VGChartz who want a good faith honest discussion. We might not all agree but we should all be bound by the same terms in a discussion.

 

bravo, I've got to give you a round of applause for sticking to your hunches, or feelings or whatever.

Anyways what does "I will keep you in suspense" mean? Mind you, It was a plain question which required a yes or no answer when he was asked if he'll accept the results. In other words, he won't say if he'll accept the result. What he was doing is called "beating around the bush" and I might add without evidence he said the general election has been rigged against him, and he twice refused to say that he would accept its result.

the irony in all this is that the results favored him instead, but now there is a possible reason why, and that is under investigation.

I call you out and it turns out you were making things up and what he said was quite different to what you said he said.

Who said it required a yes or no answer? What on earth makes you think that!?

"I will keep you in suspense", was the answer he gave when pushed to provide an answer on if he will accept the results, his first answer was "I will decide at the time", which is the same thing except in a jokey humanistic way.

Every presidential nominee has the right to contest the results of an election if the results appear irregular, Donald Trump was reserving that right. What on earth is wrong with that? Absolutely nothing, you know it, I know it. Everyone knows it.

 

Puppyroach said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

So you are just here to spin any dirt you can think of on Trump that isn't related to the thread? What's worrying is that you aren't able to convey factually an event that had video and audio of the whole event.. Trump said he likes to grab women by the pussy because they let you. You have turned that into molesting and implying it is unwanted avances like the liberal MSM ran with.

There's an argument to be made that what's wrong with his statements on that is that he was referring to a married woman, but you seem to have missed that and gone for false liberal hyperbole.

It's irelevant if Wikileaks can find anything on the guy, if he's done so much wrong in the world and had the entire mainstream media and political establishment against him, then more would have come out than "grab 'em by the pussy" and his buisness dealings, oh and those discredited accusers.

Give me some facts.

So you mean there isn't video and audio of Trump openly saying he wish Russia could find those 30000emails? Here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ

And being apologetic because he said that women "let him" grab them by the pussy... so suddenly it's the woman fault? Most molesters' think women "allow" them to do anything simply because it's their only way to rationalize their behaviour. It doesn't make the behaviour any more right.

And I would hate to have Hillary as president as well. She is corrupt in some of the worst ways possible. But from all the information we have, it's very clear he is still way worse.

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding it being women's fault.

Your presumptions are utterly absurd on the molesting line, you can't be judge and jury on something someone hasn't even said and expect to be taken seriously.

It was nobody's "fault". Trump said he likes grabbing pussy of women who let him do it. Nothing wrong with that, two consenting adults can do whatever the hell they like. God bless them or cast them to hell, not my business, or yours.

However, I did take exception for a president at least to be saying that about a person who is married. That is morally wrong, but it's not criminal and I don't care about it. Many people do care about it, good for them, I can't defend it.

This conversation is reaching the realm of surreal.



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naruball on 13 December 2016
UnderstatedCornHole said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

bravo, I've got to give you a round of applause for sticking to your hunches, or feelings or whatever.

Anyways what does "I will keep you in suspense" mean? Mind you, It was a plain question which required a yes or no answer when he was asked if he'll accept the results. In other words, he won't say if he'll accept the result. What he was doing is called "beating around the bush" and I might add without evidence he said the general election has been rigged against him, and he twice refused to say that he would accept its result.

the irony in all this is that the results favored him instead, but now there is a possible reason why, and that is under investigation.

I call you out and it turns out you were making things up and what he said was quite different to what you said he said.

Who said it required a yes or no answer? What on earth makes you think that!?

"I will keep you in suspense", was the answer he gave when pushed to provide an answer on if he will accept the results, his first answer was "I will decide at the time", which is the same thing except in a jokey humanistic way.

Every presidential nominee has the right to contest the results of an election if the results appear irregular, Donald Trump was reserving that right. What on earth is wrong with that? Absolutely nothing, you know it, I know it. Everyone knows it.

 

Puppyroach said:

So you mean there isn't video and audio of Trump openly saying he wish Russia could find those 30000emails? Here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gNa2B5zHfbQ

And being apologetic because he said that women "let him" grab them by the pussy... so suddenly it's the woman fault? Most molesters' think women "allow" them to do anything simply because it's their only way to rationalize their behaviour. It doesn't make the behaviour any more right.

And I would hate to have Hillary as president as well. She is corrupt in some of the worst ways possible. But from all the information we have, it's very clear he is still way worse.

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding it being women's fault.

Your presumptions are utterly absurd on the molesting line, you can't be judge and jury on something someone hasn't even said and expect to be taken seriously.

It was nobody's "fault". Trump said he likes grabbing pussy of women who let him do it. Nothing wrong with that, two consenting adults can do whatever the hell they like. God bless them or cast them to hell, not my business, or yours.

However, I did take exception for a president at least to be saying that about a person who is married. That is morally wrong, but it's not criminal and I don't care about it. Many people do care about it, good for them, I can't defend it.

This conversation is reaching the realm of surreal.

Goes to show that his fans will defend anything at this point.



Qwark on 13 December 2016
FunFan said:
So, all Russia did was expose the truth? lol OMG Russia so meanie, exposing poor corrupt America. Bad Russia.

*Slaps Russia's wrist*

Yeah I don´t get why everyone hates Russia so bad to begin with. They took over the chimera with the least casualties ever and last time I remember they didn´t go to war half as often as the US does. Now some Russians who know high officials/the kremlin in Russia expose some e-mails, even though a direct order has never been found. And suddenly the whole Russian government has rigged the election. While Hillary recieved donations all over the world increasing her chance to win as well.



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UnderstatedCornHole on 13 December 2016
naruball said:
UnderstatedCornHole said:

I call you out and it turns out you were making things up and what he said was quite different to what you said he said.

Who said it required a yes or no answer? What on earth makes you think that!?

"I will keep you in suspense", was the answer he gave when pushed to provide an answer on if he will accept the results, his first answer was "I will decide at the time", which is the same thing except in a jokey humanistic way.

Every presidential nominee has the right to contest the results of an election if the results appear irregular, Donald Trump was reserving that right. What on earth is wrong with that? Absolutely nothing, you know it, I know it. Everyone knows it.

 

I have no idea what you are talking about regarding it being women's fault.

Your presumptions are utterly absurd on the molesting line, you can't be judge and jury on something someone hasn't even said and expect to be taken seriously.

It was nobody's "fault". Trump said he likes grabbing pussy of women who let him do it. Nothing wrong with that, two consenting adults can do whatever the hell they like. God bless them or cast them to hell, not my business, or yours.

However, I did take exception for a president at least to be saying that about a person who is married. That is morally wrong, but it's not criminal and I don't care about it. Many people do care about it, good for them, I can't defend it.

This conversation is reaching the realm of surreal.

Goes to show that his fans will defend anything at this point.

Are you against sexual conduct that is con"sensual"? :D

That's not very liberal.



naruball on 13 December 2016
UnderstatedCornHole said:
naruball said:

Goes to show that his fans will defend anything at this point.

Are you against sexual conduct that is con"sensual"? :D

That's not very liberal.

Yup. You got me, you!



ratuscafoarterea on 13 December 2016
Soundwave said:

Follow the money.

Russia has massive oil interests that were crippled by sanctions from the US in response to the Crimea situation in Ukraine.

Exxon Mobil in particular had been hard hit as they had business contracts with the Russian government. The sanctions cost them $1 billion at least.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/02/27/heres-what-exxons-lost-from-russia-sanctions/#1d7214a856b3

They also have other significant interests in the Russian oil business. In fact I believe Exxon Mobil has technology, without this tech Russia can't actively drill oil properly in certain regions.

So, guess who Trump's pick for Secretary of State is? The president of Exxon Mobile (lol) who was given a "friendship" award by Putin.

It's fairly obvious and even transparent what happened here. And really it was a great investment on the Russian's part, those sanctions on Russia which could were crippling their economy are as good as gone now. Even if they paid a few hundred million or channelled the money into some of Trump's Russian business assets (which would be hard/impossible to trace), it's a slam dunk investment, because the return is far greater. 

You can blame Clinton as much as you want for donor money, but enough with the "holier than thou" bullshit that Trump wasn't bought either. He was, just from different sources, and many of the same ones on top of that (don't tell me all those Goldman Sachs people just coincidentally got high level positions in Trump's cabinet).

If you want to follow the money, maybe you should be unbiased, and realize that the war in Syria was started by the Saudi interests in the region to build a oil pipeline to Europe trough Syria, Turkey and in to Europe. And who helped the Saudis start that war? Obama and friends, one of those being H.Clinton. Everyone knows that she is in the same bed with the Saudis.

In the end, as a Europenian, I would rather see USA being friends with Russia and have a strong relationship, rather then seing USA continuing to support the the warmonger/terrorist supporter House of Saud/Saudi Arabia.