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Forums - Sales Discussion - November 2016 NPD Thread! Hardware estimates in the OP!

SWORDF1SH on 09 December 2016
Aura7541 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Same. Maybe it's a lot higher. I expected easily half a million and even higher given how all we heard here and on GAF was that it was a guaranteed slaughter.

Definitely not on GAF because the aggregate predictions had the PS4 beating the XBO by less than 200K.

You know how it is, one guy will say something like "PS QuAd winz 1 Millz eEeeZZZeee". Then you get the people that will start using that one guy to say "PS4 fans said it would win 1 mil lolololololollolololl". It just the way, take a small minority of people saying something and then pretend the whole fanbase said it.



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LudicrousSpeed on 09 December 2016
Aura7541 said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Same. Maybe it's a lot higher. I expected easily half a million and even higher given how all we heard here and on GAF was that it was a guaranteed slaughter.

Definitely not on GAF because the aggregate predictions had the PS4 beating the XBO by less than 200K.

LOL poor Wii U. Holy shit.



ArchangelMadzz on 09 December 2016

40 percent more people on Xbox live than last year? Of course! You had an entire years worth of sales, such a non statistic.



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DaveTheMinion13 on 09 December 2016
foodfather said:
Yeah if it really is 300k that's not impressive at all considering the new hardware and much better deals.

Sony will probably win December as well since the deals are still on. Xbox One deals at the moment are crap with a lot of dated games.

I think you have it completely backwards lol Sony has the oldest games.....Uncharted 4 from May....Last of Us and R&C from before....

Xbox has bundles for BF1 and Gears 4....2 brand new games



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Neodegenerate on 09 December 2016
ArchangelMadzz said:
40 percent more people on Xbox live than last year? Of course! You had an entire years worth of sales, such a non statistic.

That and we don't know if they are only counting Gold members, which may have re-upped and gone online this year with a discounted BF sub deal.  I do find their creative ways to make things sound better than they might be to be entertaining though.



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Intrinsic on 09 December 2016
pray4mojo said:

Sorry. I didn't see the question. 

I think it will based on sales momentum and their new console coming out. Winning four out of the last five months can't be ignored and if they can pull that off with a redesign, what can they do with an all-new, machine? 

I could be wrong and things just magically revert back in Sony's favor but usually, that's not how the gaming industry works. You will typically see sales swing in chunks, or years. It's not often hardware wins for four months and then drops off. There's usually fire behind that smoke and it's probably why Microsoft felt compelled to open their mouths lately about the tides turning, or whatever it was they said (can't remember the actual quote). They know something we don't... more than just winning NPD. There's probably alot of internal data that we don't have access to that is showing them something bigger has happened in the US than just a blip on the map.

Sales momentum of their new console coming out? Thats the single worst reason you could give.

Look at what "sales momentum" of the PS4pro did to PS4 sales. Right now, all the momentum MS has is on the introduction of the slim and selling off older XB1 stock at really low prices. Once a box for the scorpio is shown, expect the effect it has to completely decimate sales of XB1s in anticipation of said box. It happened with the PS4 and it will happen with the scorpio. 

That internal data you mention could also as easily be showing them that they are fucked. Cause winning 4 months out of 12 in the one territory that you have a fighting chance isn't anything to be proud of. Point is, we don't know what that internal data suggests. But we do at least have a years worth of sales and full knowledge of everything that has happened in the market in retrospect to draw our conclusions. 

And next year, don't forget the switch is coming out. That thing is going to sell like crazy to the soccer mom crowd wanting to buy the newest best handheld/tablet/console for their kids. . Chances are Nintendo wins every NPD month from March through to December if the Switch is nearly as successful as it could be. Even if it's just on the merit of being a new console. 



SWORDF1SH on 09 December 2016
ArchangelMadzz said:
40 percent more people on Xbox live than last year? Of course! You had an entire years worth of sales, such a non statistic.

It's even worse than that, they compare just one day, Sunday 27th this year to Friday the 27th last year. Like WTF lol. Xbox Live uptake must be starting to stagnant if the refrained from using the whole months stats. I'm not American but do you usually see more people play on the Sunday comapred to the Friday? It's just strange that they chose to be very specific.



Neodegenerate on 09 December 2016
SWORDF1SH said:
ArchangelMadzz said:
40 percent more people on Xbox live than last year? Of course! You had an entire years worth of sales, such a non statistic.

It's even worse than that, they compare just one day, Sunday 27th this year to Friday the 27th last year. Like WTF lol. Xbox Live uptake must be starting to stagnant if the refrained from using the whole months stats. I'm not American but do you usually see more people play on the Sunday comapred to the Friday? It's just strange that they chose to be very specific.

To be fair they may have been comparing it to the Sunday after Black Friday last year.  I believe they said "day" not "date" in their tweet.  Ambiguity though, the order of the MS day.



Intrinsic on 09 December 2016
LudicrousSpeed said:
Jranation said:
300k difference isn't that big. I expected around 600k difference with the PS4 reaching 2mil+ in the NPD Prediction thread.

Same. Maybe it's a lot higher. I expected easily half a million and even higher given how all we heard here and on GAF was that it was a guaranteed slaughter.

Really don't know where you are getting your info from. Even the NPD prediction thread hfrom on VGC puts the PS4 win at an average of around 250k gap. 



SWORDF1SH on 09 December 2016
Neodegenerate said:
SWORDF1SH said:

It's even worse than that, they compare just one day, Sunday 27th this year to Friday the 27th last year. Like WTF lol. Xbox Live uptake must be starting to stagnant if the refrained from using the whole months stats. I'm not American but do you usually see more people play on the Sunday comapred to the Friday? It's just strange that they chose to be very specific.

To be fair they may have been comparing it to the Sunday after Black Friday last year.  I believe they said "day" not "date" in their tweet.  Ambiguity though, the order of the MS day.

They were pretty specific on the date. "In fact, the total players online on Sunday, Nov. 27 was up 40 percent compared to last year"