That Polygon story was dumb but its not at all the same thing im saying, they predicted it would bomb when it was clear that it would be a multi million seller based on NSMBU/3D World already having sold over 2 million at that point. What im saying is something entirely different.

MK8 FY14/15-5.11m

MK8 FY15/16-2.39m, 7.50 LTD

MK8 FY16/17-0.50m, 8.00 LTD (2 quarters to go)

Wii U has essentially ended production (or will very shortly) so there will be very few new people buying the console which in turn means very few people looking for new games. MK8 has been out for 2.5 years so the vast majority of existing Wii U owners who were interested in it have already bought it.

It will probably sell similar to SMK but its nearly impossible for it to match MK64.

Its not a poor argument, you cant use install base as an excuse because thats my whole point. MK8 did not sell to its fullest potential because of the install base of the device it was on, while MK7 has been able to sell significantly higher because it was not held back by the system its on.

MK8 is superior to MK7 in essentially every way and likely had significantly higher dev costs, it should outsell MK7.

It is a poor argument though as MK7 should be selling more than MK8 given the series' performance and the userbase it has, it's no different to Coca Cola selling more products in a country that has a much higher population.

We've established long ago that Wii U's performance has little bearing on the sales performance of the games I assure you many people thought the majority of consumers who wanted the game had it back when it hit 5m but no it's still selling now and passed 8m given we're entering the holiday season I wouldn't be surprised if it outsells SMK by the end of the year and closes in on MK64 as March approaches.

So now hardware sells software and not the other logical way? Everything to defend the unappealing Wii U library.

Software sells hardware. Not the other way.

Gba was considered a port machine.

It seems like you are still missing the point so ill say it again, MARIO KART 8 HAS NOT SOLD TO ITS FULLEST POTENTIAL DUE TO BEING ON A POOR SELLING SYSTEM. That is why it is getting ported to Switch, there are millions of Mario Kart players on 3DS who have not played MK8.

When MK8 sales were at 5.11 million Wii U was at 9.54 million, MK8 is now at 8.00 million & Wii U at 13.36 million.

MK8 in that time was primarily being sold to new people getting a Wii U, not the people who bought a Wii U a few years earlier.

Wii U is only expected to ship a further 240k this fiscal year and probably nothing after that. There will be nore more people looking to buy a Wii U so very few people looking to get new software.

I gaurantee, MK8 will not sell on par with MK64, it might match SMK.

1. MK Wii

2. MK DS

3. MK7

4. MK64

5/6. SMK/MK8

7. MKDD

8. MKSS

It is one of the worst selling MK titles, whether or not it passes SMK it will still be in the bottom half.

I hope so!

Software certainly does sell hardware but the hardware has to be appealing as well and like I said, the key software was spread out too much and in many cases released to late to make a huge differece.

A device needs to have a combination of good marketing/advertising, the correct price point & a steady flow of appealing hardware. Wii U failed on all those points.

When the big games like 3D Mario, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Splatoon release 6 months apart from one another with very little in between thats not enough to gain and maintain strong momentum, however if those games released in a much smaller window than it allows the system to gain strong momentum.

Compared to 36m of MKWii.

Oh, so that is the standard for Mario Kart games now? Ok...

Maybe they should also port Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze to the Switch, just to give it a second chance at life.