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COKTOE on 14 November 2016
Soundwave said:
Snoopy said:

US military back with Nato will destory China's military in a heart beat.

Second, their economy isn't all that great when they depend on US. 

Lastly China can't call in their debt instantly. China depends on America a lot more than vise versa. We can take our outsourcing somewhere else and let China go down. Also, China won't be as huge in the future since everything is becoming more and more digital with little need for hardware. China's time is running out.

China owns $1.2 trillion in US debt (only Japan I think has a little more), they have a ton of leverage to hurt the US. 

US can't even defeat a bunch of cave dwellers like the Taliban (still running around last I checked). I'm not so sure any type of military conflict against China would go so smoothly for them. 

A set-piece war between 2 superpowers is a tad different than going after small group. Right now, the U.S. is stronger than China. China has about 1 million more active people in milatary service, but in terms of hardware? Quantity and quality?.....ummmm, no.



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Snoopy on 14 November 2016
sethnintendo said:
Snoopy said:

Trump will Defend European Countries from Russia.  Also, NATO signed a basic agreement. An attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. U.K, Germany,Canada, ect.  Not too mention people who are not part of NATO who hate China/Russia like Ukraine will surely fight.

I believe Ukraine has enough to worry about with Russia than join in on a fight with China. 

I clearly included Russia in the example and gave one enemy country as an example. There is plenty of countries that hate Russia and China that aren't part of NATO that would fight on our side. Russia/China don't even have the technology or equipment to keep up with USA alone. Not to mention every country part of NATO.



Soundwave on 14 November 2016
Snoopy said:
Soundwave said:

I think NATO is going to be dismantled slowly, but surely. Russia is already talking about speaking with Trump and how NATO could be off their borders entirely. 

Ukraine is totally fucked, lol. Sad but true. Putin's done a great job strategically in undermining NATO and doing as he pleases, this is all going according to plan.

You think United States won't stay with NATO or work with NATO? LOL. NATO benefits USA too much and no we won't back off of Russia. 

What exactly does NATO do for the US? Russia is not a communist state anymore and it's not 1963 anymore. 

Russia bought Trump, they will have good relations now, but Ukraine is likely fucked. Though seriously even with NATO, no one was going to go to World War III just for Ukraine. 

I think unfortunately Ukrianians are going to have to learn to go back to a Pro-Putin government or Russia will never stop hounding them. Forget the whole EU-thing, they need to now kiss Russia's ass. US is not coming to save them from anything. 



Snoopy on 14 November 2016
pokoko said:
Snoopy said:

US military back with Nato will destory China's military in a heart beat.

Second, their economy isn't all that great when they depend on US. 

Lastly China can't call in their debt instantly. China depends on America a lot more than vise versa. We can take our outsourcing somewhere else and let China go down. Also, China won't be as huge in the future since everything is becoming more and more digital with little need for hardware. China's time is running out.

You know a way to play digital content without hardware?

I never said we don't need hardware. That is why I said little need for hardware. For example, Televisions now include all the Apps which renders things like Apple tv not as useful as before. Everything is being combined into one device more than ever.Hell, some hardware are being eleminated almost completley such as CDs and soon to be DVDs. China will have to adapt fast or they will fall flat.



Soundwave on 14 November 2016
Snoopy said:
pokoko said:

You know a way to play digital content without hardware?

I never said we don't need hardware. That is why I said little need for hardware. For example, Televisions now include all the Apps which renders things like Apple tv not as useful as before. Everything is being combined into one device more than ever.Hell, some hardware are being eleminated almost completley such as CDs and soon to be DVDs. China will have to adapt fast or they will fall flat.

 

China makes a ton of shit not even related to TVs/phones/game consoles. Apple juice for example is made in China. Green peas are made in China. Tons of various food items. Most children's toys are made in China. Tons of clothing is made in China. Tons of homeware goods are made in China. You remove Chinese made goods and half of Wal-Mart would be empty.

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Faelco on 14 November 2016

"If China respond to new US economic policies we'll invade them with the help of NATO" is the most irrealistic thing I've read here in years. And I've read a lot of predictions threads in the last few months :D But no wonder Trump can be elected if people are able to believe this kind of science fiction.



Snoopy on 14 November 2016
Soundwave said:
Snoopy said:

I never said we don't need hardware. That is why I said little need for hardware. For example, Televisions now include all the Apps which renders things like Apple tv not as useful as before. Everything is being combined into one device more than ever.Hell, some hardware are being eleminated almost completley such as CDs and soon to be DVDs. China will have to adapt fast or they will fall flat.

 

China makes a ton of shit not even related to TVs/phones/game consoles. Apple juice for example is made in China. Green peas are made in China. Tons of various food items. Most children's toys are made in China. Tons of clothing is made in China. Tons of homeware goods are made in China. You remove Chinese made goods and half of Wal-Mart would be empty.

No, any poor third world country can make those products as well. Mexico is creating a lot of out products more than ever for USA. However, China makes a shit load of money from making hardware compare to any of those products you mention. If hardware starts to decrease it will hurt China no matter what. Not to mention a lot of jobs China depended on is being automated thanks to technology.



Snoopy on 14 November 2016
Faelco said:

"If China respond to new US economic policies we'll invade them with the help of NATO" is the most irrealistic thing I've read here in years. And I've read a lot of predictions threads in the last few months :D But no wonder Trump can be elected if people are able to believe this kind of science fiction.

I was refering to war. Some people think that China has a chance against NATO. China won't even be able to USA alone. Not to mention all of our allies in NATO. China would get rekt.



Soundwave on 14 November 2016
Snoopy said:
Soundwave said:

 

China makes a ton of shit not even related to TVs/phones/game consoles. Apple juice for example is made in China. Green peas are made in China. Tons of various food items. Most children's toys are made in China. Tons of clothing is made in China. Tons of homeware goods are made in China. You remove Chinese made goods and half of Wal-Mart would be empty.

No, any poor third world country can make those products as well. Mexico is creating a lot of out products more than ever for USA. However, China makes a shit load of money from making hardware compare to any of those products you mention. If hardware starts to decrease it will hurt China no matter what. Not to mention a lot of jobs China depended on is being automated thanks to technology.

It would still take years for a country like Mexico to have the industrial infastructure to "replace" China, there would likely be a global recession for many years from a trade war that would make 2008 look quaint. 

Besides, really, if the whole point here is to "bring back jobs", what exactly is the benefit if you're moving things from China to Mexico or the Philippines or whatever? You've accomplished jack shit. 



Puppyroach on 14 November 2016

China understood a looong time ago that you don't win wars with rifles and soldiers but through trade. Trump wouldn't dare to challenge them head on on his terms. China will play with him until THEY decide playtime is over :).