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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Switch is hybrid of home console and handheld, it not only handheld and its not only home console. If Sony made Vita that can be used like real home console out of box (with all features of home console), we could also say thats a hybrid.

It's not a home console at all. You can play Vita and PSP on the TV like a "home console experience".

Everyone doesn't seem to be too clear on the whole "hybrid" game console concept. Some appear to be under the impression that if it can be plugged into an external display but has a display built in, it's a hybrid. 

I have a hard time with that definition, even going by the absolute loosest of definitions.

Nearest I can tell, based upon the available materials, Switch is a hybrid not only because it doubles up on how the physical controls can be used, but more importantly (and this is completely an unconfirmed theory) because it has multiple operating modes based upon whether the console is docked, built in display deactivated and plugged into an external display, running off of AC power, or running off of DC battery power using the built in display.

Why would that matter? In battery mode, it renders games at 720p (native display resolution). On AC power with the display off, it theoretically should be able to render games at higher native resolutions, using more power, bumped clock speeds and active cooling. 

Nintendo themselves could probably be a little (I'd argue a lot, but then I'm the type of person who breaks down hardware and examines BoMs) bit clearer on this, but the takeaway from the promo materials is that you can plug in at home, snap the controllers onto the core display unit and continue playing anwhere like a 3DS.

As for the confusion in comparing this to the PS Vita, that is pretty close to how SCE initially marketed PS Vita, but sort of in reverse. You play games on your PS3 and then you can go into remote/satellite mode and continue playing your same game on the go on the Vita. Looks similar in the commercial, totally different execution. 



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Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

It's not a home console at all.

You can play Vita and PSP on the TV like a "home console experience".

Not home console at all!? So how can be used like real home console with all features, like playing on TV with full screen (most likly at higher resolution than in handheld mode), with separate controllers in local multiplayer, out of box!? What's exactly different compared to Wii U expect that can be use like handheld also!?

No you cant, PSP gave only half of picture on TV, and I am not sure you can play Vita games on TV at all, even that's possible thats just handheld with picture on TV, wile with Switch you have full home console experience out of box (for instance playing on full screen on TV, with separate controller, and local multiplayer).

Also you are very aware of fact that some people will use it like home console only and rarely use it like handheld, and in that use there will not be any difference compared to any other home consoles.

The thing about the Switch is that it overlaps two separate markets. Yes, there are plenty of gamers who console and portable game, but arguably just as many who do one or the other as well. 

Switch kind of makes that market separation irrelevant. 

While I'd be inclined to say that I'd most likely use it as a home console since I all but stopped playing portable games, but the nature of being able to unplug it for easy portable operation may change home console use habits. There's always that guy who packs up a console and controllers in a backpack when he goes somewhere. Who knows? Maybe Switch will create a lot more Antisocial Karens. 



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Not home console at all!? So how can be used like real home console with all features, like playing on TV with full screen (most likly at higher resolution than in handheld mode), with separate controllers in local multiplayer, out of box!? What's exactly different compared to Wii U expect that can be use like handheld also!?

No you cant, PSP gave only half of picture on TV, and I am not sure you can play Vita games on TV at all, even that's possible thats just handheld with picture on TV, wile with Switch you have full home console experience out of box (for instance playing on full screen on TV, with separate controller, and local multiplayer).

Also you are very aware of fact that some people will use it like home console only and rarely use it like handheld, and in that use there will not be any difference compared to any other home consoles.

There's no meaningful difference between Switch's "full home console experience" and Vita/PSP played on a TV though. Local multiplayer is increasingly irrelevant in modern gaming. A separate controller doesn't matter cos Vita/PSP can serve as such. Resolution is a matter of quality, not a gamechanger. 

Well difference is that you getting full home experience, and that actually Switch is build in purpose to act and to be used, and that operate like real home console also, you cant say that for Vita/PSP, they are just handhelds that can be connected to TV, nothing more. Switch will both buy home console users and handheld users because it's hybrid that actually equally aims home console and handheld users, while Vita/PSP are both almost only buy handheld users. 

 

greenmedic88 said:
curl-6 said:

It's not a home console at all. You can play Vita and PSP on the TV like a "home console experience".

Everyone doesn't seem to be too clear on the whole "hybrid" game console concept. Some appear to be under the impression that if it can be plugged into an external display but has a display built in, it's a hybrid. 

I have a hard time with that definition, even going by the absolute loosest of definitions.

Nearest I can tell, based upon the available materials, Switch is a hybrid not only because it doubles up on how the physical controls can be used, but more importantly (and this is completely an unconfirmed theory) because it has multiple operating modes based upon whether the console is docked, built in display deactivated and plugged into an external display, running off of AC power, or running off of DC battery power using the built in display.

Why would that matter? In battery mode, it renders games at 720p (native display resolution). On AC power with the display off, it theoretically should be able to render games at higher native resolutions, using more power, bumped clock speeds and active cooling. 

Nintendo themselves could probably be a little (I'd argue a lot, but then I'm the type of person who breaks down hardware and examines BoMs) bit clearer on this, but the takeaway from the promo materials is that you can plug in at home, snap the controllers onto the core display unit and continue playing anwhere like a 3DS.

As for the confusion in comparing this to the PS Vita, that is pretty close to how SCE initially marketed PS Vita, but sort of in reverse. You play games on your PS3 and then you can go into remote/satellite mode and continue playing your same game on the go on the Vita. Looks similar in the commercial, totally different execution. 

Well said.



greenmedic88 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Not home console at all!? So how can be used like real home console with all features, like playing on TV with full screen (most likly at higher resolution than in handheld mode), with separate controllers in local multiplayer, out of box!? What's exactly different compared to Wii U expect that can be use like handheld also!?

No you cant, PSP gave only half of picture on TV, and I am not sure you can play Vita games on TV at all, even that's possible thats just handheld with picture on TV, wile with Switch you have full home console experience out of box (for instance playing on full screen on TV, with separate controller, and local multiplayer).

Also you are very aware of fact that some people will use it like home console only and rarely use it like handheld, and in that use there will not be any difference compared to any other home consoles.

The thing about the Switch is that it overlaps two separate markets. Yes, there are plenty of gamers who console and portable game, but arguably just as many who do one or the other as well. 

Switch kind of makes that market separation irrelevant. 

While I'd be inclined to say that I'd most likely use it as a home console since I all but stopped playing portable games, but the nature of being able to unplug it for easy portable operation may change home console use habits. There's always that guy who packs up a console and controllers in a backpack when he goes somewhere. Who knows? Maybe Switch will create a lot more Antisocial Karens. 

Exactly, whole point of Switch is hybrid that is aiming home console and handheld users in same time, its successor to both Wii U and 3DS (regardles Nintendo PR talk), offcourse that cant be said for PSP and Vita at all.

Perosonaly I will definatly use it like home console 90% of time, but offcourse for vacations or something similar I will take it with me.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

There's no meaningful difference between Switch's "full home console experience" and Vita/PSP played on a TV though. Local multiplayer is increasingly irrelevant in modern gaming. A separate controller doesn't matter cos Vita/PSP can serve as such. Resolution is a matter of quality, not a gamechanger. 

Well difference is that you getting full home experience, and that actually Switch is build in purpose to act and to be used, and that operate like real home console also, you cant say that for Vita/PSP, they are just handhelds that can be connected to TV, nothing more.

I would contend that the "purpose" doesn't really matter when the core functionality (play on the go or at home on TV) is the same.



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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Well difference is that you getting full home experience, and that actually Switch is build in purpose to act and to be used, and that operate like real home console also, you cant say that for Vita/PSP, they are just handhelds that can be connected to TV, nothing more.

I would contend that the "purpose" doesn't really matter when the core functionality (play on the go or at home on TV) is the same.

That's point, purpose and main thing of this hybrid is to be played on go or at home, it equally aiming at home console users and handheld users at same time, and its actualy build that can be used like that.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

I would contend that the "purpose" doesn't really matter when the core functionality (play on the go or at home on TV) is the same.

That's point, purpose and main thing of this hybrid is to be played on go or at home, it equally aiming at home console users and handheld users at same time, and its actualy build that can be used like that.

The whole "hybrid" thing is PR. What matters is function, and the "play on the go or at home on your TV" concept is nothing new, it simply expands and improves on what PSP and Vita could already do.



Miyamotoo said:
Kerotan said:

Lol and the regular vita can do it too! 

This just for home use, its not handheld in same time. And no, Vita can't do any things I wrote.

You tottaly ignored what I wrote:

Can I play Vita games on TV on full screen!? Does Vita comes with separate controller that can be used for playing on TV!? Can I play local multiplayer games on Vita on TV!? Answer on all those questions is no, so yes Vita is just handheld, but Switch can do all those thing right out of box.

I really understand what are you trying to achieve here, using Switch at home is like using real home console (basically you have all features of home console), but you keep denying that.

Yes I've played the vita on my tv before with a controller.  sounds pretty much like a switch considering it can be used as a proper handheld too.  the Switch is basically a successor to this and what a Vita 2 would be. 



Kerotan said:
Miyamotoo said:

This just for home use, its not handheld in same time. And no, Vita can't do any things I wrote.

You tottaly ignored what I wrote:

Can I play Vita games on TV on full screen!? Does Vita comes with separate controller that can be used for playing on TV!? Can I play local multiplayer games on Vita on TV!? Answer on all those questions is no, so yes Vita is just handheld, but Switch can do all those thing right out of box.

I really understand what are you trying to achieve here, using Switch at home is like using real home console (basically you have all features of home console), but you keep denying that.

Yes I've played the vita on my tv before with a controller.  sounds pretty much like a switch considering it can be used as a proper handheld too.  the Switch is basically a successor to this and what a Vita 2 would be. 

Explain how exactly you played Vita games on TV?

It doesn't sound at all like Switch, Switch is build with purpose to be used like real home console and handheld, it operates like that and has hardware for that purpose out of box, it's marketed for home use and for use on go, that's why Switch is a true hybrid, you cant say that for Vita that is just a handheld.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

That's point, purpose and main thing of this hybrid is to be played on go or at home, it equally aiming at home console users and handheld users at same time, and its actualy build that can be used like that.

The whole "hybrid" thing is PR. What matters is function, and the "play on the go or at home on your TV" concept is nothing new, it simply expands and improves on what PSP and Vita could already do.

Actualy its not PR, you saw in trailer very practical use, and acts like real home console and like real handheld, hybrid of home console and handheld. My point is not that is something totaly new and revolutionary, but Switch is 1st real hybrid thats built with that purpose, to act like real home console and like real handheld and thats why its aiming home consoles users and handheld users in same time, you cant say that for PSP or Vita.