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Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

Also, just for the record, comparing FLOPS between a mobile nvidia GPU and a console AMD GPU is a pretty useless comparison. It's like comparing CPUs from two different architectures on clock speed alone.

Of Course, but that's actually goes in favour of Nvidia and in this case in favour of Switch.

It's not that simple; Switch may be newer tech, but it is also a mobile design, and with that comes limitations compared to the less restrictive nature of console hardware.

Performance does not necessarily scale linearly with FLOPS either. A 3x increase in FLOPS may not translate to a 3x increase in real world performance.

At this point, we're not just comparing apples to oranges, we're comparing apples to oranges we know very little about.



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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Of Course, but that's actually goes in favour of Nvidia and in this case in favour of Switch.

It's not that simple; Switch may be newer tech, but it is also a mobile design, and with that comes limitations compared to the less restrictive nature of console hardware.

Performance does not necessarily scale linearly with FLOPS either. A 3x increase in FLOPS may not translate to a 3x increase in real world performance.

At this point, we're not just comparing apples to oranges, we're comparing apples to oranges we know very little about.

Biggest limitations for mobile tech is battery life/power consumption and cooling, and we know that Switch in dock mode will not have those problems.

Actually just 3x more increase in FLOPS can be translate more than 3x more power in real performance, because NVIDIA FLOPS, because new tools, APIs...that Nvidia specifically made for Switch in order to use most of Switch hardware for games.

Agree its like comparing apples with oranges, NVIDIA+ARM vs AMD APU, but again we can expect that Switch will be around 3x more time stronger than Wii U (it can be little less powerful than that, or more powerful than that, but for now around 3x more time is best bet).



Miyamotoo, the trailer says that the switch is a home console and portable console, so anyway the public perceived it as response to the 3DS ... As against Nintendo probably hidden backwards compatibility (the vertical screen, emulation, joy detached ), this would be an important asset...



Akeos said:
Miyamotoo, the trailer says that the switch is a home console and portable console, so anyway the public perceived it as response to the 3DS ...

As against Nintendo probably hidden backwards compatibility (the vertical screen, emulation, joy detached ), this would be an important asset...

Yes, and public perceived it exactly like trailer says, like home console and handheld in one, not only like handheld or only like home console. Nintendo PR talk is not important at all because that's just PR talk, nobody really pays attention on PR talks, but people pay attention on commercials and infos they are giving about product.

Nintendo confirmed that Switch is not backward compatible with 3DS and Wii U games, of course we don't know all about Switch yet, we will know about all Switch possibilities and features in January. Point of first Switch trailer is just to show what is actually Switch and how it works, and they nailed it, they done great job with just one and 1st trailer.



Miyamotoo said:
curl-6 said:

It's not that simple; Switch may be newer tech, but it is also a mobile design, and with that comes limitations compared to the less restrictive nature of console hardware.

Performance does not necessarily scale linearly with FLOPS either. A 3x increase in FLOPS may not translate to a 3x increase in real world performance.

At this point, we're not just comparing apples to oranges, we're comparing apples to oranges we know very little about.

Biggest limitations for mobile tech is battery life/power consumption and cooling, and we know that Switch in dock mode will not have those problems.

Actually just 3x more increase in FLOPS can be translate more than 3x more power in real performance, because NVIDIA FLOPS, because new tools, APIs...that Nvidia specifically made for Switch in order to use most of Switch hardware for games.

Agree its like comparing apples with oranges, NVIDIA+ARM vs AMD APU, but again we can expect that Switch will be around 3x more time stronger than Wii U (it can be little less powerful than that, or more powerful than that, but for now around 3x more time is best bet).

Actually, we don't know that. There has been no confirmation that the dock provides any kind of performance boost at all.

You're making too many assumptions. The truth is that we just don't know yet. It could be 3 times as strong as Wii U, but we cannot make that call yet as we simply don't have enough concrete evidence.

Basically, it's more accurate if in future you say "I expect it to be 3x Wii U", not "it is expected to be x3 Wii U", that way it's clear that it's your opinion.



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curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Biggest limitations for mobile tech is battery life/power consumption and cooling, and we know that Switch in dock mode will not have those problems.

Actually just 3x more increase in FLOPS can be translate more than 3x more power in real performance, because NVIDIA FLOPS, because new tools, APIs...that Nvidia specifically made for Switch in order to use most of Switch hardware for games.

Agree its like comparing apples with oranges, NVIDIA+ARM vs AMD APU, but again we can expect that Switch will be around 3x more time stronger than Wii U (it can be little less powerful than that, or more powerful than that, but for now around 3x more time is best bet).

Actually, we don't know that. There has been no confirmation that the dock provides any kind of performance boost at all.

You're making too many assumptions. The truth is that we just don't know yet. It could be 3 times as strong as Wii U, but we cannot make that call yet as we simply don't have enough concrete evidence.

Basically, it's more accurate if in future you say "I expect it to be 3x Wii U", not "it is expected to be x3 Wii U", that way it's clear that it's your opinion.

Actualy we know those are biggest problems for mobile tech, and actuly we know that dock will provide more power and because of that there will not be battery life issue in dock mode, logical. If you look on Switch trailer you will see that Switch has holes for cooling, it's highly unlikely that Switch in portable mode will have active cooling because of better life, so its assumed that will have active cooling in docked mode. Also EG and Emily reported that devs kit also had active cooling.

Again, we talk what can we expect with infos we have not what is a fact, and again like I wrote, around 3x more power than Wii U is best bet with all infos we have.

Again, thats not some my wild prediction, thats also very realistic expectations of lotsa people that are actualy very informed about ofical and some of people that are informed about unofficial Switch infos also. We already had very similar expectations when some people were saying that NX is Nvidia based hybrid with less power than XB1, while people that basically ignored all infos we had were saying that NX is AMD based home console stronger than PS4.

 

You again start to repeat what's already written, pls dont do that.



Miyamotoo said:

Actualy we know those are biggest problems for mobile tech, and actuly we know that dock will provide more power and because of that there will not be battery life issue in dock mode, logical. If you look on Switch trailer you will see that Switch has holes for cooling, it's highly unlikely that Switch in portable mode will have active cooling because of better life, so its assumed that will have active cooling in docked mode. Also EG and Emily reported that devs kit also had active cooling.

Again, we talk what can we expect with infos we have not what is a fact, and again like I wrote, around 3x more power than Wii U is best bet with all infos we have.

Again, thats not some my wild prediction, thats also very realistic expectations of lotsa people that are actualy very informed about ofical and some of people that are informed about unanfical Switch infos also. We already had very similar expectations when some people were saying that NX is Nvidia based hybrid with less power than XB1, while people that basically ignored all infos we had were saying that NX is AMD based home console stronger than PS4.

 

You again start to repeat what's already written, pls dont do that.

If you want to talk "logical", your assumption that everything to do with Switch will work out perfectly is not logical at all. You only ever consider ideal outcomes and you fail to take into account that not everything will turn out for the best.

Unless you can provide multiple reputable sources saying Switch will be three times more powerful than Wii U, then you need to say "I think it will be" or "IMO" instead of treating it like fact.



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actualy we know those are biggest problems for mobile tech, and actuly we know that dock will provide more power and because of that there will not be battery life issue in dock mode, logical. If you look on Switch trailer you will see that Switch has holes for cooling, it's highly unlikely that Switch in portable mode will have active cooling because of better life, so its assumed that will have active cooling in docked mode. Also EG and Emily reported that devs kit also had active cooling.

Again, we talk what can we expect with infos we have not what is a fact, and again like I wrote, around 3x more power than Wii U is best bet with all infos we have.

Again, thats not some my wild prediction, thats also very realistic expectations of lotsa people that are actualy very informed about ofical and some of people that are informed about unanfical Switch infos also. We already had very similar expectations when some people were saying that NX is Nvidia based hybrid with less power than XB1, while people that basically ignored all infos we had were saying that NX is AMD based home console stronger than PS4.

 

You again start to repeat what's already written, pls dont do that.

If you want to talk "logical", your assumption that everything to do with Switch will work out perfectly is not logical at all. You only ever consider ideal outcomes and you fail to take into account that not everything will turn out for the best.

Unless you can provide multiple reputable sources saying Switch will be three times more powerful than Wii U, then you need to say "I think it will be" or "IMO" instead of treating it like fact.

I consider most realistic Switch outcome with infos we have, not perfect or best, lol. Saying that Wii U will be around 3x more powerful certainly isnt best or perfect outcome.

I already talk about that, and only Tegra Pascal based chip will push Switch to have around 3x more power than Wii U. Look thread on Neogaf about rumoured Switch dev kit spec, you will see expectations of people that have much more knowledge than any people have here, and actually some insiders said that final hardware is similar to that rumoured dev kit spec and actually gives around 3x more time power than Wii U. Also Emily Rogers said that Switch will be less powerful than XB1 but very compatible with XB1, and she was right about evrething about Switch hardware so far.



Miyamotoo said:

I consider most realistic Switch outcome with infos we have, not perfect or best, lol. Saying that Wii U will be around 3x more powerful certainly isnt best or perfect outcome.

I already talk about that, and only Tegra Pascal based chip will push Switch to have around 3x more power than Wii U. Look thread on Neogaf about rumoured Switch dev kit spec, you will see expectations of people that have much more knowledge than any people have here, and actually some insiders said that final hardware is similar to that rumoured dev kit spec and actually gives around 3x more time power than Wii U. Also Emily Rogers said that Switch will be less powerful than XB1 but very compatible with XB1, and she was right about evrething about Switch hardware so far.

I have been on neogaf, I frequent their forums often. The difference is that while they speculate as best they can based on the limited info we have, for the most part they acknowledge that we just don't know for sure yet, while the way you word your posts makes it seem like you're presenting your opinions as fact.

I'm not even saying you are wrong, all I am saying is that you should word your claims differently. Just say "I think", "I predict", or "IMO" when you post. 



curl-6 said:
Miyamotoo said:

I consider most realistic Switch outcome with infos we have, not perfect or best, lol. Saying that Wii U will be around 3x more powerful certainly isnt best or perfect outcome.

I already talk about that, and only Tegra Pascal based chip will push Switch to have around 3x more power than Wii U. Look thread on Neogaf about rumoured Switch dev kit spec, you will see expectations of people that have much more knowledge than any people have here, and actually some insiders said that final hardware is similar to that rumoured dev kit spec and actually gives around 3x more time power than Wii U. Also Emily Rogers said that Switch will be less powerful than XB1 but very compatible with XB1, and she was right about evrething about Switch hardware so far.

I have been on neogaf, I frequent their forums often. The difference is that while they speculate as best they can based on the limited info we have, for the most part they acknowledge that we just don't know for sure yet, while the way you word your posts makes it seem like you're presenting your opinions as fact.

I'm not even saying you are wrong, all I am saying is that you should word your claims differently. Just say "I think", "I predict", or "IMO" when you post. 

Because we start go in circles, I will say I agree that we disagree. We will know for sure in two months exactly. ;)