AbbathTheGrim said:
Zoombael said:
I say "not bound to spacetime". You say "beyond". That doesnt correlate. And when you say "your god" it doesnt correlate either. I believe in a theory of god. However i am not a follower of a christian or any other belief system and therefore not bound to dogmatic scriptures of the past.
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There is no "theory of god". A theory has indicators, things that could serve as clues to what is proposed as a theory. The idea of gods is in no way different to that of superheroes, unicorns and the Santa Claus. The idea of gods comes from nobodies who have stepped forward and pointed at things saying: "that was made by gods, that was made by gods, and that thing over there was made by gods!"
The argument about gods existing since the beginning or having existed forever, independent of time, comes from those who have said here that something can't come out of nothing. If the argument is that beyond the possible confines of our Universe, of space-time, and deep beyond the Quantum Realm gods could be there, could exist, and have a conciousness, then that same beyond could harbor rules of nature that could work in such ways that have made what we have here and what we see and have reveald and studied possible.
There is no argument that excludes the existance of nature as precursor of the Universe.
A being or beings who has feelings - love, hate, disappointment of himself (Christian god) - a being that processes ideas, stores information about how things are and should be, and has ideas, a conciousness, etc. where would those things be stored, happen and exist in a vast nothingness? Do you have proof that this is possible? What is the precedent? What is the indicator or clue that this is possible?
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You don't have a theory of God. Because you don't know any better. Apart from "indicators" for my little theory, i also said "i believe". You ingnored this little yet important part, only to ask preposterously if i have proof. Well knowing, if had, i wouldn't be writing about this subject in some video games forum only to let boredom pass by. Astrophysicists also don't have proof of a Multiverse, but it is indeed a valid theory scientists seriously consider. Do you know why? This is an answerable question.
Acting as obsessive as you and others are, you show the same behavior as religous people. Obstinate, unwilling to budge from the dogma you have inherited. Just like blind followers of outdated religions you insist to keep staring at old doctrines and withered books with blinders. Understandable. I can't really blame you. There aren't many options to choose from, and those existing don't provide all the answers, all the solutions. The option i have concocted doesn't either. I never claimed that. But i really like it.
"The idea of gods is in no way different to that of superheroes, unicorns and the Santa Claus. "
You shouldn't project your defintion of God onto others. I know, the general notion of God is being a mystical bearded caucasian man sitting on a big chair between the clouds, one day snapping his finger, mumbling into his beard "let there be light", creating Earth within 24/6, Adam, Lilith, Eve, and so on and so forth. So to say. This image is dominating your mind, and the minds of many, not mine though.
"A being or beings who has feelings - love, hate, disappointment of himself (Christian god) - a being that processes ideas, stores information about how things are and should be, and has ideas, a conciousness, etc. where would those things be stored, happen and exist in a vast nothingness?"
You're doing it again. I repeat, this "nothingness" is a premise you insist on. I for one don't. So you should stop shoving the "nothingness" under my nose like it has to be a part of it all. It doesn't.
I'd say you should get yourself a thorough lecture in "the nature of our universe", "spacetime", "holographic principle/universe" and everthing else. I don't claim to comprehend it all and be able to see into the "beyond". Like i said, if i would, i wouldn't be sitting in my comfy chair, i wouldn't be a mere human. But at least, i am a mere human who tries to understand the world he lives in, instead of shutting my brain off, unwilling to learn and to think.
And, besides "nothingness", my theory also doesn't include time travelling reptoids/aliens/future humans.
I am, who exists. I am, who is to come.