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Veknoid_Outcast said:
setsunatenshi said:

Wii U, Wii, GC, N64

You're asking me if people would prefer a system with BF and GTA to one with Mario Kart and Pokemon?

The fact you're even asking this question tells me you're blinded by your appreciation for Nintendo franchises. It's not about cutting-edge graphics, it's about 3 factors:  Quality, quantity and popularity.

Why do you think Nintendo console sales have been declining steadily since the NES? With 1 outlier in the middle called Wii who still managed to be a dud for software sales compared to the competition. I think the only Nintendo IP I really enjoy is Fire Emblem, but even I recognize they could do amazingly well if they could do what Sony does. Ally their own exclusive quality IPs with 3rd party game release parity across the other platforms and PC. Nintendo fans love to speak about how much money Nintendo has, so if they really want to be making hardware, why not make some serious competitor to the other platforms? Anyway, I hope you enjoy your Switch, because afterall at the end of the day we're all gamers here.

You keep picking out pieces of my arguments and refuting them instead of responding to the whole picture. I said Pokemon and Mario Kart FOR $200. Pricing is essential.

You're accusing me of being blinded by my appreciation for Nintendo franchises, without evidence mind you. For the record I've played one Pokemon game - Pokemon Red. But I'm wise enough to know how popular that series is.

Do you really want to bring up GCN, Wii, and WiiU in your argument? GCN and WiiU, the two systems closest to what you're advocating, sold poorly. Wii, the console closest to what I'm advocating, sold like gangbusters. 

so basically you're advocating for another nieche console to play pretty much only Nintendo 1st party games and that's basically it?

they might as well just go 3rd party at that point.  paying $200 (it won't ever be 200 anywhere near launch, I don't even know where you're getting this number from) for the 'previlege' of being able to play Nintendo games and still need to own another console for everything else is exactly why they keep selling less and less home consoles as time goes by.

the Wii sold amazingly hardware wise, but in terms of software was absolutely terrible due to the fact of millions of people purchasing one and being content with wii sports for the entire generation. It was a novelty item that happened to appear at the right time. It's like chasing lightning for Nintendo to think they're going to get another hit like that and still be able to sustain it.

on your point on pokemon... i can't believe you're trying to compare that to the biggest game franchise in the world, GTA. I'm not sure where you're living to believe people are wanting a new pokemon over a new GTA lol



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Soundwave said:
Maybe Super Street Fighter IV for Switch ... lol. I'd buy it. Or even Street Fighter 2 HD.

I'd buy SSFIV too. Would they dare to push it after releasing V?



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teigaga said:
setsunatenshi said:

I've seen/heard plenty of people who aren't necessarily Nintendo fans enticed by the possibility of playing their AAA experiences on the go. Like grinding out trophies or whatever during train/plane trips. So this notion that there isn't a big number of people who want those Mass Effect / COD / GTA type of games on the Switch, I believe that's quite wrong.

If the Switch will again be a mostly Nintendo only machine with a few 3rd party titles here and there will be a huge slap in the face to many people. That just pretty much settles it as being Nintendo's new handheld.

I don't doubt the existence of these people and Swicth will be my go to platform for Skyrim remastered, but for new, cutting edge games I do really question the amount of people who will pick the notably downgraded Switch version of Mass Effect Andromeda over the PS4/X1 version. Will it be 500k or 1.5m? I wouldn't expect much but hopefully a few developers give it a try so we can actually see the results, as well as seeing if it results in signifcantly better Japanese sales or not.

From Nintendo's standpoint they also have to remember that 80m people will already have a console they can play Mass Effect on come March 2017. Unique titles are definitely going to be a more compelling feature for those current gen owners then downgraded versions of upcoming PS4/X1 titles imo. If Nintendo could get both, then thats great but I think theres more worth in unique support, or games which won't scale badly; remasters, games with unique artstyles (Yoka-laylee) or games that have a casual/kids audience who aren't so grafix/online conscious.

Also I don't think this has any bearing on whether its seen as a handheld or home console. Back in the day consoles used to all be completely different. I'm hoping the Switch brings back a focus on gameplay mechanics, fun, gives shine to neglected genres (platforming/puzzle/turn based RPG/Console strategy games) and encourages developers to think outside of the box. Time will tell...

I don't necessarily disagree with any of what you said. My main point was that there is/was a huge amount of people that had some hope the 3rd party support would be there for the so called NX and they love the idea of taking the multiplatform games they already love and taking them on the go. In my opinion, failing to achieve this, puts the Switch in the same boat a 3ds was. Having specific games designed for it, some people love it, some hate it, but it's doing it's own thing. Definitely not a home console where you'd expect to play, say, the next GTA and take it on the go.



NX versions will be portable.



setsunatenshi said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

You keep picking out pieces of my arguments and refuting them instead of responding to the whole picture. I said Pokemon and Mario Kart FOR $200. Pricing is essential.

You're accusing me of being blinded by my appreciation for Nintendo franchises, without evidence mind you. For the record I've played one Pokemon game - Pokemon Red. But I'm wise enough to know how popular that series is.

Do you really want to bring up GCN, Wii, and WiiU in your argument? GCN and WiiU, the two systems closest to what you're advocating, sold poorly. Wii, the console closest to what I'm advocating, sold like gangbusters. 

so basically you're advocating for another nieche console to play pretty much only Nintendo 1st party games and that's basically it?

they might as well just go 3rd party at that point.  paying $200 (it won't ever be 200 anywhere near launch, I don't even know where you're getting this number from) for the 'previlege' of being able to play Nintendo games and still need to own another console for everything else is exactly why they keep selling less and less home consoles as time goes by.

the Wii sold amazingly hardware wise, but in terms of software was absolutely terrible due to the fact of millions of people purchasing one and being content with wii sports for the entire generation. It was a novelty item that happened to appear at the right time. It's like chasing lightning for Nintendo to think they're going to get another hit like that and still be able to sustain it.

on your point on pokemon... i can't believe you're trying to compare that to the biggest game franchise in the world, GTA. I'm not sure where you're living to believe people are wanting a new pokemon over a new GTA lol

Are you winding me up?

How was the Wii niche? The GBA? The DS? Even the 3DS?

I would encourage you to step out of your comfort zone and try to experience the world of video games through the eyes of the millions of people who actually love the Wii, and not just "hardcore" gamers who think it was a novelty item.



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oniyide said:
Wildcard36qs said:

I agree with you guys to a point, but the outcrys of everyone for Nintendoom has always been lack of 3rd party support. And sure 3rd party support technically means that if a developer makes any game for Switch, but what most people mean when they say they want 3rd party support is equal treatment and effort (ie. the same AAA games). When you have 2 consoles that are near enough in power, you can spend a lot of money on a AAA game and port to either one and PC without any difficulty. When you have an outlier, it takes more effort and more money which then means there is less incentive to do so. This gets us in the situation of the Wii U. The only way this will not happen again is if the Switch takes off and has a huge userbase that will guaratnee sales for these developers (like the Wii did).

I agree with the strategy Nintendo is taking on making a cheap, accessible device that will appeal to a broad demographic, and hopefully the world does too. I personally do not play many multiplat AAA games. I have a high-end PC for those, so this again doesn't affect me as much, but I know it will affect a lot of people who can afford only 1 console. 

IMHO i think most of those people are full of crap and just lookin for any reason to hate on Ninty, they were never interested in getting a Ninty system. Hell look at those games that did release on Wii U that were AAA multiplats they all flopped hard.

I think this is right on the money.

A lot of the people blasting Nintendo for hosting so few third party games already play them on PS4 or XOne, or PC. I imagine a lot of it is FUD or concern trolling, which is super frustrating. If someone hates Nintendo and wants it to fail, I wish they would at least be honest about it.



superchunk said:
JEMC said:

But the thing is that they aren't talking about porting, he's saying that they won't make ports but "something different".

Look, Capcom isn't in very good position right now when it comes to money (or games, to be honest. They only hae 3 successful franchises and with SF V they've killed one of them for awhile). If they could port their existing games to the Switch for less than making that "something different", you can bet your ass that that's exactly what they would do.

"Tsujimoto stated that multiplatform development will be possible for the new Nintendo console"

They said its possible but they wanted to do something different. I inferred from this statement.

Archimedes: "Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world."

Like in this case, it's possible, but not doable.

Look, I'm not saying that they can't do it. I'm only saying the post where you said that ports would be cheap and easy isn't true because nothing in that sentence says or implies that.



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Veknoid_Outcast said:
oniyide said:

IMHO i think most of those people are full of crap and just lookin for any reason to hate on Ninty, they were never interested in getting a Ninty system. Hell look at those games that did release on Wii U that were AAA multiplats they all flopped hard.

I think this is right on the money.

A lot of the people blasting Nintendo for hosting so few third party games already play them on PS4 or XOne, or PC. I imagine a lot of it is FUD or concern trolling, which is super frustrating. If someone hates Nintendo and wants it to fail, I wish they would at least be honest about it.

Well there werent really any benefits to buying third party multiplats on the Wii or WiiU(a few exceptions of course) but I think the portability of the Switch can convince some people to buy it on that system. Developers dont have to add some gimmick to make the game special. It becomes special just by porting it.



KLXVER said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:

I think this is right on the money.

A lot of the people blasting Nintendo for hosting so few third party games already play them on PS4 or XOne, or PC. I imagine a lot of it is FUD or concern trolling, which is super frustrating. If someone hates Nintendo and wants it to fail, I wish they would at least be honest about it.

Well there werent really any benefits to buying third party multiplats on the Wii or WiiU(a few exceptions of course) but I think the portability of the Switch can convince some people to buy it on that system. Developers dont have to add some gimmick to make the game special. It becomes special just by porting it.

I can buy that. There is something cool about being able to continue a quest in Skyrim after leaving the house, for example. But I don't think that functionality would move the needle that much.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
setsunatenshi said:

so basically you're advocating for another nieche console to play pretty much only Nintendo 1st party games and that's basically it?

they might as well just go 3rd party at that point.  paying $200 (it won't ever be 200 anywhere near launch, I don't even know where you're getting this number from) for the 'previlege' of being able to play Nintendo games and still need to own another console for everything else is exactly why they keep selling less and less home consoles as time goes by.

the Wii sold amazingly hardware wise, but in terms of software was absolutely terrible due to the fact of millions of people purchasing one and being content with wii sports for the entire generation. It was a novelty item that happened to appear at the right time. It's like chasing lightning for Nintendo to think they're going to get another hit like that and still be able to sustain it.

on your point on pokemon... i can't believe you're trying to compare that to the biggest game franchise in the world, GTA. I'm not sure where you're living to believe people are wanting a new pokemon over a new GTA lol

Are you winding me up?

How was the Wii niche? The GBA? The DS? Even the 3DS?

I would encourage you to step out of your comfort zone and try to experience the world of video games through the eyes of the millions of people who actually love the Wii, and not just "hardcore" gamers who think it was a novelty item.

I think he is saying the Wii was a novelty, not a niche product, but in terms of third party support it was treated a bit like a niche product anyway.