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KLXVER said:

How much is there to know really? People might like a voice actor because he does a great job in a cartoon. Doesnt mean they will suddenly become gamers just to hear their voice in a game. If the product is shit, the VA doesnt matter.

Based on your point, nothing at all. THe way you harp on about VA's makes them sound like nothing and that they should get "real jobs".

VA isn't the easiest job in the world either,  so lets nip that right in the bud before we go there. 



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KLXVER said:
JEMC said:
                                          

Wrong example as construction workers have their own unions that have fought to get their members the rights and work conditions they deserve, and that includes the salary.

Well thats not really the point.

Well, it actually is the point: people fighting for what they think they deserve.



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JEMC said:

Well, it actually is the point: people fighting for what they think they deserve.

Exactly, and if they win, it will mean better changes for VA's and eventually it will cause others to stand up and fight for what they deserve.



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Chazore said:
KLXVER said:

How much is there to know really? People might like a voice actor because he does a great job in a cartoon. Doesnt mean they will suddenly become gamers just to hear their voice in a game. If the product is shit, the VA doesnt matter.

Based on your point, nothing at all. THe way you harp on about VA's makes them sound like nothing and that they should get "real jobs".

VA isn't the easiest job in the world either,  so lets nip that right in the bud before we go there. 

It is an easy job. Im not saying they should get real jobs...unless they want more money of course, Im saying they should stop trying to make VA in video games into a living. Its not. Never has been. I would love going on strike until I get money from watching Youtube videos, but thats not how it works.



JEMC said:
KLXVER said:

Well thats not really the point.

Well, it actually is the point: people fighting for what they think they deserve.

No, its about asking for more money if the product does well. Its not about the job, its about being entitled.



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Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

When did I say that? I said "Nope, I do not know about the VAs and that's the issue. I don't know how many people do either."

In response to:

"I've followed a lot of VA's for years from movies to tv shows and even to games. Did you know Reinhardt'sVA also plays Dredd in the Judge Dredd animated Superfiend short? (made by the same guy who made the 2012 Dredd film), or that Reaper's VA is the same one who played Blu From Foster's home for imginary friends? (seriously hard for me to unhear lol)."

I don't understand the prespective you are coming from though with the whole VA is the same as Devs but lets not get into that.

But you made this about the devs as well as others when it's meant to be about the VA's and their conditions as well as pay...

You've gone on about how devs should be paid more than VA's, we've been going on about that for a while now (towards that last part you just wrote).

 

You aren't on the same page when it comes to the importance of VA's. You don't see them as being anywhere near the level of devs, yet we're supposed to be talking about the VA'a and not the devs in the first place.

Yes but I never said that I didn't know much about VA's side of things. I have said many times already that VA's can have more things (which includes better conditions and etc) as long as devs get something better. My entire issue is them wanting residual... Not having better working conditions and etc is not my issue because residual is something the devs do not have afaik. That's why I said they can have stuff but not something better than the devs (residuals as an example) and etc but if they do get something like residual, the devs should get it too...

And yes, that makes it so that we aren't on the same page as far as importance of VAs go but that is the point of having different views... Not everyone sees things the same way but that is not the samething as having the lack of knowledge about a certain topic.



                  

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KLXVER said:
JEMC said:

Well, it actually is the point: people fighting for what they think they deserve.

No, its about asking for more money if the product does well. Its not about the job, its about being entitled.

Executives get bonuses if the company meets or exceeds their targets, and what do they do for the development of the games?

And as another user has posted earlier on, they're asking for some % when the game has sells more than 2 million units.



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KLXVER said:
Chazore said:

Based on your point, nothing at all. THe way you harp on about VA's makes them sound like nothing and that they should get "real jobs".

VA isn't the easiest job in the world either,  so lets nip that right in the bud before we go there. 

It is an easy job. Im not saying they should get real jobs...unless they want more money of course, Im saying they should stop trying to make VA in video games into a living. Its not. Never has been. I would love going on strike until I get money from watching Youtube videos, but thats not how it works.

No, not it isn't. Youa re merely thinking it is the weasiest job while at the same time, basing your thoughts as fact above all. Plenty of documentaries and points from VA's themselves show that it isn't the easiest job on the world.

See you even said "real jobs" as in VA not being a real job when it hoenst to god is in all the other industries that feature VA's. VA is a real job like it or not.

Wnat to know what's far easier than being a VA?, being an LP on Youtube.

 

Why the hell can VA's not make a living for voice acting in video games, why do things have to go to being that absurd?.

I can't believe you amount getting paid to watch youtube vids to VA's.



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Captain_Yuri said:

Yes but I never said that I didn't know much about VA's side of things. I have said many times already that VA's can have more things (which includes better conditions and etc) as long as devs get something better. My entire issue is them wanting residual... Not having better working conditions and etc is not my issue because residual is something the devs do not have afaik. That's why I said they can have stuff but not something better than the devs (residuals as an example) and etc but if they do get something like residual, the devs should get it too...

And yes, that makes it so that we aren't on the same page as far as importance of VAs go but that is the point of having different views... Not everyone sees things the same way but that is not the samething as having the lack of knowledge about a certain topic.

But your pov is telling me that you don't. otherwise we wouldn't be having this talk in the frist place. You'd have seen the logic in why this strike is a thing and why VA's want said changes. But instead we've somehow pitted devs with VA's and the whole payment tree.

"as long as devs get something better", then just pay VA's worse off then devs and we get back to the whole scenario all over again. Why make a scheme to pay more than the other when we already have said scheme in place, the pubs get the biggest share, just like the Gov gets a huge share of your taxes, or a film production studio like WB. All we're doing here is injecting devs into the story and saying rthey deserve way more than VA's, it's not doing anything other than pointing out that VA's won't go anywhere if they are to be held low. 

Letting them and devs have the residual can be a thing, rather than your view where the devs get the residual and the VA's not much else.

"And yes, that makes it so that we aren't on the same page as far as importance of VAs go but that is the point of having different views... Not everyone sees things the same way but that is not the samething as having the lack of knowledge about a certain topic."

 

Yeah, it points out that you are pro for the devs and less for the VA's, but you have to make nice for VA's to not sound as if you aren't for them. I'm actually for both, though I don't want one making massive heaps over the other (like the devs), I want a decnelt divide, not what we already have with all sorts of industries and hierarchies. You show a lack of knowledge due to how VA's oeprate and how they differ from devs, your own Pov points out how they matter less than devs. We can go back on "what did I say?", but it's not going to change the stance, this is why you said you should stop replying and yet we're here right now.

I'm not trying to hate on you or anyything. I just think it's utter trite to see people giving less of a shit for VA's and thinking they aren't as important in any of the industries they exist in. Those that aren't on the side of VA's show who they are and they qwon't care for it as much, hence why I believe they should stay out of the discussion ebcause they won't ever offer anything of value outside of arguments against what VA's are fighting for. If you are entirely more for devs then this isn't the thread for that.



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KLXVER said:
Darashiva said:

Again, it's not like they are asking for anything unreasonable here. I don't understand how making these multimillion corporations save some money by not paying people they employ a decent wage is a defendable thing.

Lets start with people who need the money first. Then we can start thinking about the famous actors.

Getting voice actors better job security and better wages isn't taking something away from other people who need money. And, who are these famous actors exactly? Most voice actors will never be recognized by name, regardless of how many acting jobs they have done. People like Nolan North, Troy Baker and Jennifer Hale are the rare exceptions of voice actors getting notable name recognition. Most people doing the job don't make all that much money from it, and will never have their names known outside of their professional circle.