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Ruler said:

completley agree with this guy, bethesda really has become such a trash company latley. Its not worth buying their games full price

Bullshit.  They publish some of the best games on the market and have some of the very few series I will buy at full price.  I watched a few minutes of the video and it sounded really childish.  He "won't pay more than $10 or $15 bucks" because there won't be reviews ahead of release?  That's the exact kind of petty crap that paints some youtubers in such a bad light.  It sounded like sour grapes.



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badgenome said:

These same "journalists" completely failed to alert consumers about the atrocious memory leak problems of Fallout 3, New Vegas, and Skyrim, so who cares? If you want to find out something about a video game you'll have to take the plunge yourself or rely on early adopters because the gaming media is and pretty much always has been a sad joke.

Yeah an issue with something like the PS3 version of New Vegas was that as the save file built up more and more the game became basically unplayable, so reviewers who wanted to get their review out the door asap just played around at the start of the game or powered into it, but didn't actually do enough to expand the save file to the point where the game drops into single figures of fps, but then they reviewed it as a perfect game on the system... even though giving it a small bit of time messing around as players in a Fallout game would do showed up that the game just wasn't properly built.



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Yeah, I don't get that response... I mean, now you won't pre-order? OK, sure.
But if the post-release reviews are stellar, why wouldn't you then buy? Come on.
The only thing being affected here are the most superficial, most potentially corrupted reviews.

I mean, we have the Titanfall 2 pre-release reviews covering a primarily multiplayer game,
when the servers haven't even gone online yet, the pre-release reviews only had access to LANs
at the media event they were all flown to on the company dime. But they don't even tell you that info.
And that's totally standard practice. So yeah, I don't see a problem with people waiting for real reviews.



Veknoid_Outcast said:
Just want to point out that not every member of the media is unworthy of trust. The staff on this site work their butts off to inform consumers about games before they make an irreversible financial commitment.

Ultimately, it's up to each individual to decide whether to pre-order or buy games day one, but the fourth estate should play an important part of this equation. Bethesda cutting off the gaming press ahead of launch in no way is a good thing. It means less information, fewer opinions.

While it's certainly true that there are people in the gaming media who are doing their best, videos like the one posted above, where the youtuber resorts to the childish behavior of trying to discredit all the games Bethesda publishes, even with recent successes like Doom and Dishonored, is a good example of why gamers are so cynical about the gaming media in general.  If you dislike a policy, that's fine, attack that policy, but when you start in with videos like "they're just a C+ player now anyway" then it looks so freaking petty. 

Maybe I'm just biased.  I don't follow any of these "personalities" and when I see people make an Appeal to Authority by name-dropping a youtuber, it just seems so amazingly ridiculous to me.  I don't give them any more credence than any random forum member.



Ganoncrotch said:

Yeah an issue with something like the PS3 version of New Vegas was that as the save file built up more and more the game became basically unplayable, so reviewers who wanted to get their review out the door asap just played around at the start of the game or powered into it, but didn't actually do enough to expand the save file to the point where the game drops into single figures of fps, but then they reviewed it as a perfect game on the system... even though giving it a small bit of time messing around as players in a Fallout game would do showed up that the game just wasn't properly built.

Tbh, I don't think they reviewed it on PS3 at all. Not even at OPM. I think they played the PC or more likely the 360 version, both of which hard their problems but weren't as unplayable as the PS3 one.



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pokoko said:
Ruler said:

completley agree with this guy, bethesda really has become such a trash company latley. Its not worth buying their games full price

Bullshit.  They publish some of the best games on the market and have some of the very few series I will buy at full price.  I watched a few minutes of the video and it sounded really childish.  He "won't pay more than $10 or $15 bucks" because there won't be reviews ahead of release?  That's the exact kind of petty crap that paints some youtubers in such a bad light.  It sounded like sour grapes.

Yeah some of the best games who crash and break your game. He didnt like Fallout 4 because its feel more and more like an FPS and it had all these bugs



Ruler said:
pokoko said:

Bullshit.  They publish some of the best games on the market and have some of the very few series I will buy at full price.  I watched a few minutes of the video and it sounded really childish.  He "won't pay more than $10 or $15 bucks" because there won't be reviews ahead of release?  That's the exact kind of petty crap that paints some youtubers in such a bad light.  It sounded like sour grapes.

Yeah some of the best games who crash and break your game. He didnt like Fallout 4 because its feel more and more like an FPS and it had all these bugs

Doom?  Dishonored?  Wolfenstein?  They were all very well received.  That's the funny part.  Bethesda is now stronger than they've ever been in terms of content and publishing.  They're far better now than when they published junk like Wet and Rogue Warrior.  And he's trying to act like they've fallen back?  That's beyond ignorant.

As far as Fallout 4 goes, it's fine if he doesn't like it, even if I think his reasons are silly.  Quality-wise, it has far less bugs than New Vegas or Skyrim and is a better made game in most regards.  It's absolutely rock solid for me right now and I have 100 mods running.  

It's pretty clear to me what he's trying to do and what a lot of others in the "gaming media" are going to do.  I'm betting that Dishonored 2 is going to see harsher reviews than games that send out code early.  



If I were a publisher I wouldn't send review copies at all. If they wanna play they should buy. Publishers gain nothing from sending review copies earlier, they only stand to lose.

Is then illogical for a publishers to send review copies.



Really disappointed that so many people are OK with this, that they're willfully giving away the opportunity to get an independent assessment of a game before launch.

I know a lot of YouTubers are untrustworthy and big sites like IGN and Polygon have been implicated in scandals, but that's not a good reason to let publishers act without oversight.



pokoko said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Just want to point out that not every member of the media is unworthy of trust. The staff on this site work their butts off to inform consumers about games before they make an irreversible financial commitment.

Ultimately, it's up to each individual to decide whether to pre-order or buy games day one, but the fourth estate should play an important part of this equation. Bethesda cutting off the gaming press ahead of launch in no way is a good thing. It means less information, fewer opinions.

While it's certainly true that there are people in the gaming media who are doing their best, videos like the one posted above, where the youtuber resorts to the childish behavior of trying to discredit all the games Bethesda publishes, even with recent successes like Doom and Dishonored, is a good example of why gamers are so cynical about the gaming media in general.  If you dislike a policy, that's fine, attack that policy, but when you start in with videos like "they're just a C+ player now anyway" then it looks so freaking petty. 

Maybe I'm just biased.  I don't follow any of these "personalities" and when I see people make an Appeal to Authority by name-dropping a youtuber, it just seems so amazingly ridiculous to me.  I don't give them any more credence than any random forum member.

I appreciate that. YouTube is the Wild West. It's where journalistic integrity goes to die.

There are a lot of outlets out there who take their work seriously, though. I was a reporter before I became a game critic. I sat through three hour board of education meetings so readers wouldn't have to, but would still be informed about what people in power were doing. I carry that attitude with me in all my writing and analysis. This means something to me.