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Soundwave said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

I agree , Nintendo and the Nintendo fanbase has always been like this.

I'm a Nintendo fan, but it's oh so freaking true, lol. 

It's kinda like the parent who thinks he/she should get a medal for looking after their kids for a week. 

No, you're *supposed* to look after your damn kids, lol. All the time. You don't deserve a medal for that, that's what your supposed to do. 

Nintendo being able to make a 3 minute "trailer" in which they: 1.) Didn't embarass themselves, 2.) Make their new product look like a child's toy, or 3.) confuse the viewer as to what the product is about, is now suddenly grounds for giving Nintendo a trophy, lol. 

Like jeez, talk about lowering the bar. 

I don't know about this analogy.



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Lawlight said:
ratuscafoarterea said:

No, you're wrong, Nintendo could compete with Sony and Microsfot, in fact they are in better finincial shape then Sony, so what makes you think that they couldn't. It's just that they don't have the will to do it.

Surely you're being sarcastic here, right? What next? The only reason the WiiU sales are so low is because Nintendo did not want to compete with Sony and MS?

With the right strategy and aproch they could compete, it's just that they are too lazy to do it. And no, I'm not a Nintendo fanboy.



Lawlight said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

If we are talking general internet chatter and the limited understanding of nongamer interest, Nintendo has accomplished their goal.

The goalposts were not set by you; rather, Nintendo. Then you say what you think Nintendo should have accomplished and that is you moving the goalposts. Nintendo did what they wanted to do with this three minute teaser. On top of that, they gave a time table for the rest of your questions to be answered. That is job well done.

So Nintendo is trying to get the nongamers back on board? I wish them good luck with that now that smartphones are a thing.

Judging by the trailer it is aimed at adults and core players, Nintendo will always try to be the "friendly" game company for beginners/fringe players/kids but the way Switch was shown was clearly a bit different from the Wii/Wii U branding days. 

No kids or soccer moms shown, third party software like Skyrim and NBA 2K primarily featured, tournament gaming highlighted. 



Lawlight said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

If we are talking general internet chatter and the limited understanding of nongamer interest, Nintendo has accomplished their goal.

The goalposts were not set by you; rather, Nintendo. Then you say what you think Nintendo should have accomplished and that is you moving the goalposts. Nintendo did what they wanted to do with this three minute teaser. On top of that, they gave a time table for the rest of your questions to be answered. That is job well done.

So Nintendo is trying to get the nongamers back on board? I wish them good luck with that now that smartphones are a thing.

I don't know how you got that out of my post but... whatever.



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I will never forgive you for making me watch that painful Wii U trailer again, I've almost forgotten it.



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Puppyroach said:
I mostly saw positives around the announcments. They showed Zelda, Mario, Splatoon, Mario Kart and Skyrim. That is alot of revealed games in one commercial. And the whole concept of home console/portable console is old now, they shouldn´t even describe it as one or the other, just a very portable system for both home and on the go.

Aside from zelda and that 3d mario, others are just port (according to rumor). Skyrim is not even supported for NS. Yes, Bethesda has confirmed this, and Yes nintendo dares to use bullshot for NS premiere trailer.



bananaking21 said:

The Dust is starting to settle of the Nintendo Switch announcement. And its pretty clear Nintendo hasnt learnt much after the horrendous WiiU Reveal.

 

- The Trailer certainly gives a better idea about what the NX is, much more than the WiiU trailer did. The trailer gives the impression that the NS is a Hybrid system. however, nintendo did say that the docking station only serves to connect the NS to the TV, as well as provide power. basically, the Dock is pretty much a glorified charging station that has an HDMI, Thus resulting it in technicially being a portable. you wouldnt call a PSP a "Hybrid" because you can connect it to a TV with a cable, right? However, one of the issues arises when Nintendo is calling the NS a "home gaming system". even though it technicially isnt.

 

- The first point isnt that bad, its not a huge problem sure. it doesnt really matter what the NS technicially is considered if the consumers like it. but it does show that Nintendo still has a communiction problem, and that these 3 minute trailers are no where near enough to illustrate what their consoles are and what they have to offer. 


As it stands now, Nintendo is just selling us the concept, not the product itself. and considering that the NS is releasing in roughly 5 months, that is concerning to say the least. And Nintendos refusal to even talk about their console is not only puzzling, but out right stupid. Nintendo seems to be a company that refuses to learn from its mistakes, and the mistakes done by others. 

Plugging it in on tv and playing via controller basically is a home console. No matter if it's a Scorpio or Fire TV harware level.

 

To the rest: No One* cares. Probably even less care about tech specs.

 

I don't remember one single Apple spot telling me the exact pixel count, quality of the camera sensor, the SoC power...

Yes, Apple gives us some data. But most people don't care.

 

Now, Nintendo is doing exactly that, selling Switch to basically everyone. It's not for the hardcore audience that actually watches E³ press conferences or our long and actually terribly boring hardware reveals. It's not even for people that watch a whole Nintendo direct.

 

Well, there is that actually pretty small crowd active in forums. And basically in every of those forums people are speculating. Showing so few probably led to more media coverage and discussion than showing every detail would've. But, again, most people aren't interested in all that stuff.



ratuscafoarterea said:
Lawlight said:

Surely you're being sarcastic here, right? What next? The only reason the WiiU sales are so low is because Nintendo did not want to compete with Sony and MS?

With the right strategy and aproch they could compete, it's just that they are too lazy to do it. And no, I'm not a Nintendo fanboy.

Too lazy to do it? I guess, similarly, with the right approach Ouya can compete with Sony.



GhaudePhaede010 said:
Lawlight said:

So Nintendo is trying to get the nongamers back on board? I wish them good luck with that now that smartphones are a thing.

I don't know how you got that out of my post but... whatever.

I misread your post. But from my perspective interest outside of Nintendo fans hasn't been there. Certainly investors don't think it's worth it with Nintendo's stock falling by 11% in 2 days.



OP is pretty close to my thoughts, and I say that as someone who thought the WiiU's exclusives were far and away better than Sony's or Microsoft's.

Can a company succeed in selling a console without a lot of success in getting third party support and being people's 'primary' gaming box? I know Sony and Microsoft make a lot of money by :

Selling 1st party games
Selling 3rd party games (platform fees)
Selling paid online
Selling ad revenue
Selling expensive peripherals

Nintendo has the 1st party games and peripherals down pat, but misses a lot of revenue in being the place to play Cod/Madden/BF/Fifa/etc. Pretty much everyone has a primary console they play by default, because of friends/controller or whatever.

Tech wise I won't go into extreme detail, but it would take a combination of high cost and technological miracles for this to be any more than about Xbox One level, and it's probably a fair bit under that. IOW : perfectly fantastic for Nintendo IPs, but multiplats will suffer even if they get ported at all.

The Wii was one of those landmark moments where there was a complete craze about it. In a lot of ways, people bought it because it was popular, which sounds circular, but I know so many people that bought it for Wii Fit or Wii Sports, heck they were all over retirement homes even. It was a cultural phenomenon. Those were different times though. The 360 was barely getting started to be honest, and PS3 was this ludicrously expensive thing that was struggling a bit (talking USA market 06-08).

Let's look at the last 20 years of Nintendo Consoles

N64
Gamecube
Wii
WiiU

Show me the one that had great third party support?
Aside from the Wii, show me the one that had significant sales success?

1st party clearly isn't the problem, because I'd put the libraries of Nintendo Exclusives on those system up there as many of the best games of all time.

Price wasn't the problem for most of those, though WiiU was hamstrung a bit IMHO due to the BoM cost of the tablet (I still believe to this day had WiiU launched as Super Wii or whatever haha, and been just the same hardware sans tablet for $179, that it would have possibly double the install base)

I like Nintendo, I want them to succeed. I'm just not sure where the Switch fits in that will dramatically change the story for them. For those that want a good home console and don't care about mobility, it inarguably IS a compromise with the tablet form factor. Because think about it, the tablet choice causes :

1- Expenses to be tied up in a screen you don't care about or need.
2- Expenses to be tied up in a dock apparatus you don't care about or need.
3- Expenses to be tied up in a battery setup you don't care about or need.
4- Performance to be lower due to form factor constrictions (heat dissipation, pcb layout, size, power consumption)

In other words, the very design of Switch means that a hypothetical $250 device is instantly weaker than had it bad a traditional design without the mobile/tablet/battery path of tablet form factor. At the same time, it also means that if you decide on the exact same performance profile, something that might cost $250 to deliver in a tablet form factor could be sold for $129 or so without the screen, battery, and dock.

That doesn't matter if you DO want that as a compelling reason to buy the system, but IS that a compelling reason to buy the system? That's up to you. I would counter that the proven reason to buy Nintendo systems is their proven track record of outstanding 1st party titles that are often landmarks for their generations.

That's all I can say for now, I'll wait with everyone else for the results on this. I'm not very optimistic, but I suppose even if it fails to gain major support, at least it will bring some more excellent nintendo games, and that's a positive in my book.