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mountaindewslave on 20 October 2016
Soundwave said:
HylianYoshi said:
Nintendo's going to be marketing the NSwitch more like a home console, and it functions as such in addition to being a handheld. Whether they're in a league of their own or not, they're still going to have to compete in the same market as the PS4 and XB1.

Really? So why's 70% of their own demo video showing people playing the system outside the house?

Nintendo can call it whatever they want, it's not a competitor to the PS4 or XB Scorpio, not any more than the DS was to say the XBox 360, and Microsoft even allowed some of its games onto the DS because of that reasoning ... there's no competetion between the two there really so why not. 

Nintendo has already repeatedly stated (in the last days) that this is a home centric console. You can blah blah blah all you want but that doesn't change their opinion and goal for it.

Not to mention home consoles are easily understood, you don't show the fact that its can play games like a regular home console for 3 minutes in an opening ad- you show the features that people might get confused about and need more explaining 



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Soundwave on 20 October 2016
mountaindewslave said:
Soundwave said:

Was anyone else talking about a hybrid all-in-one console/portable or the Tegra chip, because I seem to recall taking a lot of flak and attitude from some posters for bringing up both for well over a year now, not just one off guesses. 

I seem to recall you even said the concept of the hybrid was impossible because it would be too similar to the Wii U, well lo and behold. Dual analogs (oh no casuals!) and all. 

tons of people were talking about both and random online sources mentioned both of those possibilities before you. Stop giving yourself too much credit. Your predictions about Nintendo 'making a deal' with Sony/Micro are just absolutely absurd and reflect nothing of the Nintendo anyones knows

Not to mention desperate companies make deals like that. Not ones that are doing reasonably well. You don't make hardware deals with other companies when you have exclusive IPs that you can use to your advantage when at the same time you're capable of producing your own hardware

if we were talking about a company in debt this would be a different story 

It's not a desperate move. 

Nintendo would be gaining a lot, MS and/or Sony would have to agree to make games for Nintendo too.

It's simply the same reasoning that putting Nintendo IP on iOS/Android have. 

Nintendo I think is going to transition more towards being an entertainment conglomerate, you can already see it with movie deals coming, Mario at the Olympic games representing Japan as a host nation ... Switch and what the Playstation/XBox are becoming are far removed enough, no matter what you want to call them, that they're really not competitors. 

I mean if PS5 launches in 2019 say, that'll be like two generations removed from the Switch and a completely different type of product, this is not the 1990s or 2000s anymore. 



mountaindewslave on 20 October 2016
bunchanumbers said:
mountaindewslave said:

nonsense

the Switch is in fact a home console that CAN be used portably. Its a bit of a mix but the trailer simply emphasized the FEATURES. you don't need to go on forever in an ad for people to understand that the system can be played at home- the difficult part is to fully explain how the home console can be used on the go. That's where they needed to inform

also this system is 100% competing with the other home console platforms- gaming and entertainment in general seems to be going in a more casual direction than ever (mobile gaming). If Nintendo successfully gets a lot of casuals to adopt this it will dramatically cut into the other console manufacturer sales.

Bear in mind Microsoft already seems to sort of be going into a direction of trying to merge their home console back with their PC gaming segments (Windows Live anyone?), and frankly Sony still (overall) is financially iffy

Nintendo doesn't need to cut any deals and they ARE competing directly.

All that matters is that this device is somewhat competitive spec wise AND can easily be played from a television set. It will take some of the same market the PS4 and Xone are aiming for. Bear in mind that the majority of gamers are not die hard serious people, the majority are going to be casuals who want to kill a little time or familys 

 

the announcement of the Switch seems mega positive to me and to a lot of the community, if anything I think the system's potential success will make Nintendo far less to cut any deals

bear in mind the most powerful thing in entertainment whether you're talking about movies, music, video games- are the namebrands and characters and recognizable things

Nintendo doesn't need to cut deals because they already have the hardest thing to get- the IPs. Nintendo has the power of people loving their brands and that alone will keep people returning.

I have to wonder what something like the Playstation truly has to permanently keep people from converting to PC. A lot of the third party games are going to PC and Sony does not have that many giantly popular game brands (God of War, Gran Turismo, what else??)

 

really bizarre thread. I think most would consider the 'Switch' announcement today insanely well received and I think you're absolutely flawed in thinking if you're truly trying to convince anyone that this is going to be drawing in home console fans. Of course it is. It plugs into the TV and can play awesomely new looking games on a traditional controller. End of story 

Its a 720p tablet.

built to sit in a dock for home/charging use.

the primary function for this system is clearly at home with the added bonus of mobility. Its not rocket science



WolfpackN64 on 20 October 2016
Soundwave said:
WolfpackN64 said:
That's not going to happen.

I bet if I told you the concept of the Switch and Nintendo making iOS/Android games 2 years ago you would also say that's impossible. 

No, because the Switch is a very typical Nintendo thing to do. Does Nintendo really make android games? I'd say they make experiances, little bite sized games on the go. But Nintendo isn't stupid. The mobile market is very volatile and not a steady source of revenue that'll last a developer forever.



HylianYoshi on 20 October 2016
Soundwave said:
HylianYoshi said:
Nintendo's going to be marketing the NSwitch more like a home console, and it functions as such in addition to being a handheld. Whether they're in a league of their own or not, they're still going to have to compete in the same market as the PS4 and XB1.

Really? So why's 70% of their own demo video showing people playing the system outside the house?

Nintendo can call it whatever they want, it's not a competitor to the PS4 or XB Scorpio, not any more than the DS was to say the XBox 360, and Microsoft even allowed some of its games onto the DS because of that reasoning ... there's no competetion between the two there really so why not. 

The outside portions of the trailer are to hammer in the point that you can take it outside, I'm sure they're betting more on people using it as a home console. We're probably going to be getting more console-scale games, and most people prefer to play games like these at their own homes anyway. Battery life will definitely be another deciding factor. If it doesn't last long outside the home I can guarentee that it will never take off as a portable handheld.

Also, comparing the relationship between NSwitch and XBScorpio to one between the 360 and the DS is ridiculous. NSwitch will function at least somewhat if not mostly as a home console. And in many respects it will be competing with the PS4 and XB1 for market share. It's important for Nintendo to distinguish the NX so that some people may find it useful as an alternative option or secondary console, but in the end there will be people weighing the pros and cons of whether to buy either the Switch or one of the other consoles, come holiday 2017.

What you are proposing is not going to happen.



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bunchanumbers on 20 October 2016
mountaindewslave said:
bunchanumbers said:

Its a 720p tablet.

built to sit in a dock for home/charging use.

the primary function for this system is clearly at home with the added bonus of mobility. Its not rocket science

Not really. The whole thing is based in the tablet itself. How can you call it anything other than a tablet. Its meant for mobile use.



Soundwave on 20 October 2016
WolfpackN64 said:
Soundwave said:

I bet if I told you the concept of the Switch and Nintendo making iOS/Android games 2 years ago you would also say that's impossible. 

No, because the Switch is a very typical Nintendo thing to do. Does Nintendo really make android games? I'd say they make experiances, little bite sized games on the go. But Nintendo isn't stupid. The mobile market is very volatile and not a steady source of revenue that'll last a developer forever.

All the more reason to have multiple revenue streams. 

They can have mobile (iOS/Android) as one pillar. Switch hardware as another. A deal with MS or Sony as another pillar. And then movies/theme parks as another one. 

That would give them enough flexibility to weather just about any storm, since it's unlikely all four pillars would suck gas at once. 

IF Nintendo was actually offering a "traditional" console that was directly targetting Sony or MS' userbase that would be a different story, but I really don't see the Switch doing that at all. It's like saying the DS was competing head on with the PS3 or Vita/Vita TV was competing with the XBox One. 

These are such distinct different markets now all having a few Nintendo IP on a Playstation 5 or Scorpio would do is make new fans for Nintendo who would then buy a portable Switch to go with their Playstation or Scorpio and how's that bad again? 



mountaindewslave on 20 October 2016
Libara said:
Different markets, Nintendo won't be competing for HD gaming, best graphics etc. They haven't for a long time as they understand they have games that everybody loves, Mario, Zelda etc. This will sell a lot, maybe not as much as people are hoping but it will definitely help them get back into the market.
Why would they want to release their games on MS or Sony platforms when they know they can sell enough on their own for profit. This in a way makes me prefer Nintendo to others as it ensures they make good games, not rushed for profit or put out half assed games as they know it will sell.
They have IPs that will sell their hardware without needing 10 TFlops to boast about.

this really though in a nutshell ^^^^

even if somehow Nintendo was aiming for a different audience than Sony/Micro (they're not, but whatever) how do you seriously think logically releasing their games on other VIDEO GAME system would help? People want to game and if they potentially could get some of Nintendo's best offerings elsewhere those are customers the big N would potentially lose on their own hardware.

it just doesn't make sense. Nintendo's draw are their IPs...  why would they cut a deal involving that. Now a better theory would be at some point that they might possibly do a collaboration system with another big developer. I could see Sony and Nintendo working on a project together. But cutting off part of their library and drawing away people from their own hardware? just bizarre

the market is not big enough for the big N to be aiming for a different type of gamer like you suggest. The same type of person who wants to play Dark Souls on the PS4 may easilyyyy want to play Zelda on the Switch



mountaindewslave on 20 October 2016
bunchanumbers said:
mountaindewslave said:

built to sit in a dock for home/charging use.

the primary function for this system is clearly at home with the added bonus of mobility. Its not rocket science

Not really. The whole thing is based in the tablet itself. How can you call it anything other than a tablet. Its meant for mobile use.

says who? you?

Nintendo claims its primarily a home console and they're the ones who spent billions in developing it for the last few years for gods sake. Also if it truly does perform BETTER in the dock then obviously some emphasis has been put on the home aspect, if the native resolution is the higher home version and it just downgrades a bit for handheld (rather than vice versa)

I don't think its fair to simply glance at it and say "oh, that looks like a tablet so that's what it is". this is sort of unexplored territory, a dedicated home gaming system in a dock that can be used on the go. You're attempting to over simplify it and are directly debating the developer of the console without having many details OR having used it



bunchanumbers on 20 October 2016
mountaindewslave said:
bunchanumbers said:

Not really. The whole thing is based in the tablet itself. How can you call it anything other than a tablet. Its meant for mobile use.

says who? you?

Nintendo claims its primarily a home console and they're the ones who spent billions in developing it for the last few years for gods sake. Also if it truly does perform BETTER in the dock then obviously some emphasis has been put on the home aspect, if the native resolution is the higher home version and it just downgrades a bit for handheld (rather than vice versa)

I don't think its fair to simply glance at it and say "oh, that looks like a tablet so that's what it is". this is sort of unexplored territory, a dedicated home gaming system in a dock that can be used on the go. You're attempting to over simplify it and are directly debating the developer of the console without having many details OR having used it

Nintendo's own words say that everything is in the tablet. The TV out/charging dock doesn't boost power. This means that everything is based in the tablet. Nintendo's own words.