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Nintendo NX rumor: Twice the power of a PS4?

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Soundwave on 17 October 2016
Wyrdness said:
Soundwave said:

SMD64 has opened himself to criticism because he's been pushing a theory for like 6+ months now with no proof. At this point I think even he might suspect deep down he's wrong, but he's getting views to his Youtube channel so he's milking it and that's the most annoying thing about Nintendo taking so damn long to unveil this thing. 

The best thing about the NX reveal will be having people like that get their channels basically shut down because no one is going to care what they think once we have the official story. 

Disagree with your assetment of a "shared library" Wii U ... if Splatoon and Mario Kart 8 and Mario 3D World were on the 3DS and the graphics were similar (not quite as good but close enough) I think the Wii U would've sold *even worse*. 

Many people are going to say "screw that" if you ask them to pay $250-$300+ more to basically to play the same handheld games but just on the TV. The handheld itself should be able to display games on the TV ... my guess is Nintendo realized this too in the design process and opted to go the hybrid approach. With the way technology is today there's no reason to force people to have to buy two seperate pieces of hardware to do what Nintendo wants. 

SMD is getting views because he accurately predicted something that everyone else wrote off, he also doesn't misdirect in his views either as he clearly lets people know that a lot of his discussions are speculation unless otherwise stated and tbh his speculation is plausible as the is an AMD win around and all it's not some wild speculation like how you're reacting to it.

Nope Wii U would have sold more because then it would have the 3DS library available on it, these games would have brought more sales than what Wii U will eventually end up with.

No many people prefer to play with a console set up it's not forcing people to buy two sets of hardware it's giving the option of the person's prefered set up, the technology today doesn't remove a number of questions about a hybrid set up.

He does misdirect by selectively only stating information that supports his one way agenda. 

Case in point: he was blabbing about Julien Chize being a main source for his AMD theory, but Chize just came out last week and basically said Nintendo's machine is a hybrid and is using Nvidia. 

Does SuperMetalDave64 ever mention that? Of course not. 

Yeah people prefer things. I have a 65 inch 4KTV that I just spent 3 gs on. I'd like a 6 TFLOP Nintendo console (fuck 4 TFLOPS, if MS can do 6 in 2017, then why not Nintendo, right? Hey since we're asking for "what we want"). That doesn't mean I'm getting that system. 

People need to be able to seperate the line between "I want" and "Nintendo is going to do" ... these are not the same thing and too many people confuse the two. In fact most often if you want an idea of what Nintendo often ends up doing, just look at what their fans are asking for. It's usually the exact opposite of that, lol. 



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Wyrdness on 17 October 2016
potato_hamster said:
Wyrdness said:

I suggest you read whats in the post and not what you make up in your head, GBA didn't get added support when DS arrived yet 3DS is highlighted it's not the platform being replaced Wii U is. No I think the platform in March will be a home console and not a hybrid with a particular concept.

Is the NX here? No?
And there's still games coming out from the 3DS? Yes?

How on earth does this apply? The only thing that you currently have to go on that indicates that the NX isn't meant to replace a handheld in any way is wishful thinking, and the fact that Nintendo hasn't done a "hybrid console" before.

3DS getting support during the launch year of NX (as confirmed by the last ND), that's an indicator for you, I flat out explained why I don't think a hybrid is as plausible as the family of devices so again don't make things up in your head when arguing.



TheLastStarFighter on 17 October 2016
Soundwave said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
NX will blur the lines of Home Console and HH, but not by being a tablet. Imagine playing a title like Pokemon go using the Screened NX Controller walking around town, then connecting it back to your full-fledged home console for some online Pokemon battles. This is what we're talking about. The HH part of NX will have computing power and function on its own, it just won't be the main brains of the console. That will be in the actual HC itself.

This idea has been tried before with GBA-GCN and Vita-PS4 and PS3-PSP ... it doesn't work. 

No one wants crappy little mobile apetizers to a "real" game. 

This also doesn't address any of Nintendo's problems ... they can't support the Wii U and 3DS as is, now magically they're going to support a PS4 Pro console and another portable (which presumably would be PS Vita in spec at least). 

No chance in hell is that viable. 

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Wyrdness on 17 October 2016
Soundwave said:

He does misdirect by selectively only stating information that supports his one way agenda. 

Case in point: he was blabbing about Julien Chize being a main source for his AMD theory, but Chize just came out last week and basically said Nintendo's machine is a hybrid and is using Nvidia. 

Does SuperMetalDave64 ever mention that? Of course not. 

Yeah people prefer things. I have a 4KTV that I spent 3 gs on. I'd like a 6 TFLOP Nintendo console (fuck 4 TFLOPS, if MS can do 6 in 2017, then why not Nintendo, right?). That doesn't mean I'm getting that system. 

People need to be able to seperate the line between "I want" and "Nintendo is going to do" ... these are not the same thing and too many people confuse the two. In fact most often if you want an idea of what Nintendo often ends up doing, just look at what their fans are asking for. It's usually the exact opposite of that, lol. 

People have got that separated it's just you stuck in the hole of clinging to one rumour and dismissing everything else hence why some people are looking at the plausibility of a rumour, it's summed up in this post when you're claiming those who don't fully buy the Tegra rumour do it out of preference despite the fact that Nvidia's involvement in gaming platforms in general is something that's up for debate especially as they're in a good spot and that's just the start of the questions.



potato_hamster on 17 October 2016
Wyrdness said:
potato_hamster said:

Is the NX here? No?
And there's still games coming out from the 3DS? Yes?

How on earth does this apply? The only thing that you currently have to go on that indicates that the NX isn't meant to replace a handheld in any way is wishful thinking, and the fact that Nintendo hasn't done a "hybrid console" before.

3DS getting support during the launch year of NX (as confirmed by the last ND), that's an indicator for you, I flat out explained why I don't think a hybrid is as plausible as the family of devices so again don't make things up in your head when arguing.

All I have to say is that some people on this site have seen, used and know what the concept behind the NX, but their NDAs prevent them from talking about specifics. I'll just leave it at that. Anyone you're getting information from either doesn't have any personal experience (because they'd have to sign an NDA to get it), or they're getting it from a second party that may or may not have the information they claim to have.



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Soundwave on 17 October 2016
Wyrdness said:
Soundwave said:

He does misdirect by selectively only stating information that supports his one way agenda. 

Case in point: he was blabbing about Julien Chize being a main source for his AMD theory, but Chize just came out last week and basically said Nintendo's machine is a hybrid and is using Nvidia. 

Does SuperMetalDave64 ever mention that? Of course not. 

Yeah people prefer things. I have a 4KTV that I spent 3 gs on. I'd like a 6 TFLOP Nintendo console (fuck 4 TFLOPS, if MS can do 6 in 2017, then why not Nintendo, right?). That doesn't mean I'm getting that system. 

People need to be able to seperate the line between "I want" and "Nintendo is going to do" ... these are not the same thing and too many people confuse the two. In fact most often if you want an idea of what Nintendo often ends up doing, just look at what their fans are asking for. It's usually the exact opposite of that, lol. 

People have got that separated it's just you stuck in the hole of clinging to one rumour and dismissing everything else hence why some people are looking at the plausibility of a rumour, it's summed up in this post when you're claiming those who don't fully buy the Tegra rumour do it out of preference despite the fact that Nvidia's involvement in gaming platforms in general is something that's up for debate especially as they're in a good spot and that's just the start of the questions.

It isn't one rumor, there are several follow up reports, including people who have seen games running on the device, the type of d-pad that it uses, even the rough physical dimensions of it, etc. etc. There are quite detailed reports. 

There isn't a "debate" here, because we aren't part of Nintendo's R&D, Nintendo does what they want. Period. End of story. This is problem is people think this is some kind of freaking debate as if their opinion has some bearing on anything. 

It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else on this board wants. That's never been how Nintendo ever has operated. I sure as fuck didn't want to be playing SD resolution games for 6 years longer than Sony/MS fans had to, but that's how the cookie crumbles. 



Wyrdness on 17 October 2016
Soundwave said:

It isn't one rumor, there are several follow up reports, including people who have seen games running on the device, the type of d-pad that it uses, even the rough physical dimensions of it, etc. etc. There are quite detailed reports. 

There isn't a "debate" here, because we aren't part of Nintendo's R&D, Nintendo does what they want. Period. End of story. This is problem is people think this is some kind of freaking debate as if their opinion has some bearing on anything. 

It doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else on this board wants. That's never been how Nintendo ever has operated. I sure as fuck didn't want to be playing SD resolution games for 6 years longer than Sony/MS fans had to, but that's how the cookie crumbles. 

The are also many rumours that are detailed and don't support the Tegra claim but you tend to ignore or dismiss those, not being part of Nintendo doesn't mean people aren't allowed to openly discuss the rumours and give their opinions on them.

Operating in their own manner doesn't equal to what you're saying, no, what people on forums want is a traditional console like X1 and PS4 and they won't get that, it doesn't however means that the platform is going to be the low ball expectation some are throwing out either as it can be a console with a new concept and gimmick but still have competent specs that's the point. When people say competent they mean specs where porting MPs over aren't an issue not the constant 6Tf babble you keep bringing up in arguments.



eva01beserk on 17 October 2016
Soundwave said:
eva01beserk said:
I belive this. This is always what I thought since they anounce the nx plan of a shared library. a hand held and a console witch use the same games, so the only inovation would be both using the same cartridege, one with better resolution than the other and thats it.

all the portable will have is an hdmi cabe to play on the big screen. if the controlers are detachable then it makes sense for there to be a docking station that only charges the deevice and probably a fan to cool it so it can clock a litle higher.

For this rumor to be true though, they would need to release the handheld this march as schedule and the home console in the holidays when the 2xps4 gpu would be cheaper, still the weakest of the 3 but enoughf for third partys to port.

This is a nice fantasy but it won't work in reality.

For a "shared library" to work, the handheld and console are going to have to be close in power. 

And portables don't need cables to stream to a TV these days. 

People really don't put any thought into the portable at all, this is the problem with the SMD64 crowd, the portable is just "oh we'll just slap something together". No you can't do that. The portable has to be the base for all games if it's a "shared" ecosystem, my guess is Nintendo actually having to do practical real world R&D realized this and from that the hybrid concept took over. 

Because if the two devices have to be close in power, then you are really not getting anywhere forcing people to buy a completely seperate console and handheld just to play the same games. You might as well make one device that can play both at home and on the go. 

Most Nintendo fans even do not buy the Nintendo console even with its own exclusives (80% of GBA buyers did not buy a GCN, 80% of 3DS owners did not buy a Wii U, Wii got away with it due to the Wiimote craze), so why are they going to now buy a seperate console that has the same games? Very few people aside from the same group of 15 million Nintendo console die-hards will do this (probably even less). 

What are you talking about? Have you seen pc's over the last century? Games can be played on specs 20x apart, one might be on 720p the other in 4k and so many other settings. Just by swiping a litle slider. 

Games that nintendo has already achive compatability with handheald and console. First and mainly, super smash bros. wii u is more than 10x the 3ds. and they kepet everything the same execpt the resolution. xenoblade chronicles is close to an example, is wii to 3ds, but the wii is still much more powerfull than a 3ds. There are probably others that I dont know about but thouse 2 should be enough.

STreaming to smart tvs on chrocast like devices is tota trash and Ive tryed it. there insane lag not sutible for gaming and the upscalability also suffers. So no, it would be insane for them to make streaming the default conection to a tv. If there is a docking station the even less likely to be streaming, since your setting it next to your tv, might as well conect the hdmi to it. 

and its true about the handheld owners not getting the console, but it also works the other way around. there are many wii, wii u, gc owners who dont like playing on the go and forcing them to go mobile is also not wise.

You seeem to be under the delusion that only the eurogamer rumor can possible be true. You need to get off that cloud. specially since they have been proveen wrong before. as far s you know that source that spred things aroud was send by nintendo to send everyone off track the real nx and for people to ddisregard real leakers. All im saying is that there is a world of possiblitys and 2 seperate devices is one of the more possible ones.



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Shiken on 17 October 2016

If this is true, it will be in line with the PS4Pro and actually be in a good spot power wise. Even if it is stronger than a base PS4 but a little weaker than Pro, the NX would be in a good spot here. I actually hope this is true!

Then we would have all of Nintendo's 1st party games with proper 3rd party support at a level that is actually current with the latest hardware. People forget that every console Nintendo put out before the Wii and WiiU has been on the upper level of the power scale for its time. It really would not suprise me if they pulled this off.

However a rumor is still just a rumor, and I will believe nothing until Nintendo confirms themselves.



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Soundwave on 17 October 2016
eva01beserk said:
Soundwave said:

This is a nice fantasy but it won't work in reality.

For a "shared library" to work, the handheld and console are going to have to be close in power. 

And portables don't need cables to stream to a TV these days. 

People really don't put any thought into the portable at all, this is the problem with the SMD64 crowd, the portable is just "oh we'll just slap something together". No you can't do that. The portable has to be the base for all games if it's a "shared" ecosystem, my guess is Nintendo actually having to do practical real world R&D realized this and from that the hybrid concept took over. 

Because if the two devices have to be close in power, then you are really not getting anywhere forcing people to buy a completely seperate console and handheld just to play the same games. You might as well make one device that can play both at home and on the go. 

Most Nintendo fans even do not buy the Nintendo console even with its own exclusives (80% of GBA buyers did not buy a GCN, 80% of 3DS owners did not buy a Wii U, Wii got away with it due to the Wiimote craze), so why are they going to now buy a seperate console that has the same games? Very few people aside from the same group of 15 million Nintendo console die-hards will do this (probably even less). 

What are you talking about? Have you seen pc's over the last century? Games can be played on specs 20x apart, one might be on 720p the other in 4k and so many other settings. Just by swiping a litle slider. 

Games that nintendo has already achive compatability with handheald and console. First and mainly, super smash bros. wii u is more than 10x the 3ds. and they kepet everything the same execpt the resolution. xenoblade chronicles is close to an example, is wii to 3ds, but the wii is still much more powerfull than a 3ds. There are probably others that I dont know about but thouse 2 should be enough.

STreaming to smart tvs on chrocast like devices is tota trash and Ive tryed it. there insane lag not sutible for gaming and the upscalability also suffers. So no, it would be insane for them to make streaming the default conection to a tv. If there is a docking station the even less likely to be streaming, since your setting it next to your tv, might as well conect the hdmi to it. 

and its true about the handheld owners not getting the console, but it also works the other way around. there are many wii, wii u, gc owners who dont like playing on the go and forcing them to go mobile is also not wise.

You seeem to be under the delusion that only the eurogamer rumor can possible be true. You need to get off that cloud. specially since they have been proveen wrong before. as far s you know that source that spred things aroud was send by nintendo to send everyone off track the real nx and for people to ddisregard real leakers. All im saying is that there is a world of possiblitys and 2 seperate devices is one of the more possible ones.

Again it's not the Eurogamer rumor. In fact Semi Accurate reported Nvidia Tegra being the chip before Eurogamer did. It's Eurogamer + IGN + Wall Street Journal + LPVG + and Kotaku has also said they have heard the same thing with NO credible person saying no. 

I would not believe a rumor from just one source, but 5-6 reputable sources with zero push back from anyone credible, yeah I believe it. 

The PS4 Neo and Scorpio leaks were basically the same exact thing. 

So no, sorry I'm not getting off the cloud. Either show someone CREDIBLE who has predicted something accurately in the past before saying AMD 4 TFLOP NX or I call bullshit. Plain and simple. 

This is a random Brazilian "leaker" who has zero track record. Gimme a break. Hey, NX is 8 TFLOPS. I just told you. Believe me? Maybe I should start a Youtube channel and see how many suckers I can get to follow me.