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What match are you excited for at WWE Payback 2017?

Neville vs. Austin Aries ... 1 5.88%
 
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyat... 3 17.65%
 
The Hardy Boyz vs. Cesaro... 3 17.65%
 
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jer... 4 23.53%
 
Bayley vs. Alexa Bliss (Raw Women's Title) 3 17.65%
 
Seth Rollins vs. Samoa Joe 1 5.88%
 
Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman 2 11.76%
 
Total:17

Overall, this was one of the better SNME, but as is usual with these, if you have something better to do, don't feel bad about just watching the last segment. But, the Rollins and Knight match was really good, injury and all, and the main event was just worth watching for it being the last match of a major star's career. Thankfully he finally put someone over.

Jumpin said:

From what I’ve seen, it looks legit. If Seth Rollin’s injury is a work, it’s a lame execution with no real obvious way that this improves existing storylines.

Usually a worked injury fits neatly into a storyline, to cover a real injury, and involves some serious over-the top stuff (Running Austin over with a car, doing some guillotine stuff with chairs, or a massive bloody beat down).

Depends what you're trying to achieve.

If we assume this is a ruse by Rollins to get the champions to let their guard down, while also making the fans genuinely believe that he's not making a return, than none of those things would make sense.

If your objective is to get the fans to believe it, getting run over by a car is obviously not the way to go, because nobody is going to believe that actually happened. 

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If its ruse I'm fine.

Someone getting injured on the job always sucks.



JWeinCom said:
Jumpin said:

From what I’ve seen, it looks legit. If Seth Rollin’s injury is a work, it’s a lame execution with no real obvious way that this improves existing storylines.

Usually a worked injury fits neatly into a storyline, to cover a real injury, and involves some serious over-the top stuff (Running Austin over with a car, doing some guillotine stuff with chairs, or a massive bloody beat down).

Depends what you're trying to achieve.

If we assume this is a ruse by Rollins to get the champions to let their guard down, while also making the fans genuinely believe that he's not making a return, than none of those things would make sense.

If your objective is to get the fans to believe it, getting run over by a car is obviously not the way to go, because nobody is going to believe that actually happened. 

Sure. But it's not so much the what and the how of a ruse, or getting fans to. The thing that I'd question is the why? Does it build up Seth or his stable (I'm a bit out of the loop) to take him off TV to surprise people weeks later? Does it gain him more heel heat? Does it help build anyone else? Is there really any entertainment value for the crowd that they can't equal or exceed by handling things other ways?

There are other mechanical issues. If Seth takes the Smackdown Championship at Summerslam, then that breaks his stable since (as far as I know) they're on RAW and Cena/Cody are Smackdown.

I don't watch the show anymore/right now, Maybe I'm missing something.



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Jumpin said:
JWeinCom said:

Depends what you're trying to achieve.

If we assume this is a ruse by Rollins to get the champions to let their guard down, while also making the fans genuinely believe that he's not making a return, than none of those things would make sense.

If your objective is to get the fans to believe it, getting run over by a car is obviously not the way to go, because nobody is going to believe that actually happened. 

Sure. But it's not so much the what and the how of a ruse, or getting fans to. The thing that I'd question is the why? Does it build up Seth or his stable (I'm a bit out of the loop) to take him off TV to surprise people weeks later? Does it gain him more heel heat? Does it help build anyone else? Is there really any entertainment value for the crowd that they can't equal or exceed by handling things other ways?

There are other mechanical issues. If Seth takes the Smackdown Championship at Summerslam, then that breaks his stable since (as far as I know) they're on RAW and Cena/Cody are Smackdown.

I don't watch the show anymore/right now, Maybe I'm missing something.

The why would be because it makes it easier for him to cash in if the champs think he's out. And the less unexpected the cash in the more people usually enjoy it.



Whoever did the opening package for Evolution II needs a raise ASAP. Almost makes up for the mediocre build.



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No_Name_Needed said:
Leynos said:

All In is the best PPV even this year and nothing comes close. Fuck, that was amazing. Also that main event was a wonderful chaos of a Death Match. Good to see some returns. Hangman is new champ and the belt is no longer held hostage in a briefcase. AEW might have used the entire US supply of fireworks today. Only downer was it sounds like Adam Coles in ring career is over.

It was a really good show. It was a long one, but surprisingly it moved at a good pace and the main event, including the finish, was excellent. Man that pop when Mox tapped out, and when Hangman opened the briefcase was awesome.

And a man cut a promo on top of Mt Everest lol. Unless a wrestler cuts one from space, that can't be topped lol



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The opening and closing matches for Evolution were great. The rest of it ranged from pretty good (Trish vs Stratton) to kind of meh (Jade vs Naomi) which is a fair representation of the women's division at the moment. At the top you have stars that are absolutely as good as the men (Iyo vs Rhea could have easily main evented a Mania and I wouldn't have complained, but there's kind of a gap after that.



JWeinCom said:
Jumpin said:

Sure. But it's not so much the what and the how of a ruse, or getting fans to. The thing that I'd question is the why? Does it build up Seth or his stable (I'm a bit out of the loop) to take him off TV to surprise people weeks later? Does it gain him more heel heat? Does it help build anyone else? Is there really any entertainment value for the crowd that they can't equal or exceed by handling things other ways?

There are other mechanical issues. If Seth takes the Smackdown Championship at Summerslam, then that breaks his stable since (as far as I know) they're on RAW and Cena/Cody are Smackdown.

I don't watch the show anymore/right now, Maybe I'm missing something.

The why would be because it makes it easier for him to cash in if the champs think he's out. And the less unexpected the cash in the more people usually enjoy it.

I think we should agree to disagree. I'll just give my reasoning with what I hope is greater clarity:

I don't a very strong reason so much as a trick pulled out of a hat of tricks. And this trick doesn't build Seth, his stable, or anyone else. It cools down his heel heat by taking him off TV in the buildup. There isn't really any entertainment value for the crowd that can be equalled or exceeded in other ways. The big match on the card is a Smackdown match, it seems a little weird, Cody defeats Cena and transitions the belt to Seth, and Seth moves to Smackdown cutting off the vengeance feuds with Punk and Roman. Taking the belt off of Gunther anytime soon makes no sense, apart from a heel taking the belt off a heel, didn't Gunther just retire Goldberg?

The injury to me looks entirely legit. If it isn't legit, I don't see how just having him pop back in a few weeks to take the belt would be entertaining or enjoyable. Simply getting his faction to level the champion, keep him in the ring, and then have Seth cash the box to take the belt would be a superior angle because it: A. affirms and builds the legitimacy of Seth and the Stable as dangerous (like when NWO beat down The Rock). B. provides greater motivation for the babyface. C. It's more entertaining for the crowd. D. It adds heel heat to Seth and his stable.

I'm not saying that cashing in at a surprise moment and stealing the belt won't work down the road (like at WM or RR). But it would be under very different circumstances with a very different goal: after an extended absence and recovering from a legit injury and a massive setback, fans will want to see him back, and with a babyface turn against a hated heel.

But anyway, that's my reasoning there. We'll see how it goes.



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Leynos said:
No_Name_Needed said:

It was a really good show. It was a long one, but surprisingly it moved at a good pace and the main event, including the finish, was excellent. Man that pop when Mox tapped out, and when Hangman opened the briefcase was awesome.

And a man cut a promo on top of Mt Everest lol. Unless a wrestler cuts one from space, that can't be topped lol

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Leynos said:
No_Name_Needed said:

It was a really good show. It was a long one, but surprisingly it moved at a good pace and the main event, including the finish, was excellent. Man that pop when Mox tapped out, and when Hangman opened the briefcase was awesome.

And a man cut a promo on top of Mt Everest lol. Unless a wrestler cuts one from space, that can't be topped lol

To be fair Darby is a mad man, he might actually try to cut a promo from space one day.