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What match are you excited for at WWE Payback 2017?

Neville vs. Austin Aries ... 1 5.88%
 
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyat... 3 17.65%
 
The Hardy Boyz vs. Cesaro... 3 17.65%
 
Kevin Owens vs. Chris Jer... 4 23.53%
 
Bayley vs. Alexa Bliss (Raw Women's Title) 3 17.65%
 
Seth Rollins vs. Samoa Joe 1 5.88%
 
Roman Reigns vs. Braun Strowman 2 11.76%
 
Total:17
Jumpin said:

Asis the Street Profits juice themselves to oblivion during their hiatus? They seem to have suddenly gained a lot of muscle and athleticism as they aged into their mid-30s.

Not saying they didn't, but putting on muscle is about diet and exercise. It's way easier to keep on top of both when you're not working and not traveling everyday.

BasilZero said:
Jumpin said:

Asis the Street Profits juice themselves to oblivion during their hiatus? They seem to have suddenly gained a lot of muscle and athleticism as they aged into their mid-30s.

Likely gonna be Street Profits VS DIY vs Motor City Machine guns at WM (possibly pre-show)

Perhaps add another team in the mix as well.

Lucha Bros.



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I don’t think diet and exercise are the reason, or mere time off. They’ve had time off of the road numerous times in the past, plus diet regiment and exercise are a regular part of the lifestyle of athletes - something these guys have been for nearly their whole lives. But when athletes suddenly hit their physical and athletic peaks in their mid-30s, it’s steroids.



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Why does WWE act like 17 is a world record when Flair won like 20-something championships? So did Lawler. A bunch of those for Flair were NWA. WCCW (no not WCW) AWA and such. Is that what WWE is counting is just WCW but even then it's flaky as some of the early WCW stuff was when they used the NWA belt. Whatever not watched WWE in 10 years. I been rewatching AEW PPVs on MAX and just watched Stings last match again. Revolutuon was amazing this year and look forward to Wed.

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Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Cena heel run is so terrible. None of it makes sense. It's like he was reading a script for a movie. 16 time world champ only equal with the greatest ric flair. Holly wood star, tv series, game cameos , biggest merch seller etc and he is upset because cody getting a title run and not him? I don"t believe this bullshit for a sec.

If you've been following cena over his career, none of his talk fits any kind of narrative. Definitely forced. I can't see an endgame here. The writers should be fired.



Leynos said:

Why does WWE act like 17 is a world record when Flair won like 20-something championships? So did Lawler. A bunch of those for Flair were NWA. WCCW (no not WCW) AWA and such. Is that what WWE is counting is just WCW but even then it's flaky as some of the early WCW stuff was when they used the NWA belt. Whatever not watched WWE in 10 years. I been rewatching AEW PPVs on MAX and just watched Stings last match again. Revolutuon was amazing this year and look forward to Wed.

It's just for contrast to establish the stakes of Cena's potential title win. Flair's only won the WWE championship twice, WCW championship 8 times. They count 6 of his NWA title runs because they fall under the jurisdiction of WWE and its recognized title lineages.



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Jumpin said:

I don’t think diet and exercise are the reason, or mere time off. They’ve had time off of the road numerous times in the past, plus diet regiment and exercise are a regular part of the lifestyle of athletes - something these guys have been for nearly their whole lives. But when athletes suddenly hit their physical and athletic peaks in their mid-30s, it’s steroids.

There is simply no way you can be as on top of your diet and exercise on the road as you could at home. If they were so inclined, they could have definitely improved upon their routine during that year. And it's not uncommon for men to reach peak muscle mass in their early 30s. A bit quick to assume it's drugs is all I'm saying.



Jumpin said:
Leynos said:

Why does WWE act like 17 is a world record when Flair won like 20-something championships? So did Lawler. A bunch of those for Flair were NWA. WCCW (no not WCW) AWA and such. Is that what WWE is counting is just WCW but even then it's flaky as some of the early WCW stuff was when they used the NWA belt. Whatever not watched WWE in 10 years. I been rewatching AEW PPVs on MAX and just watched Stings last match again. Revolutuon was amazing this year and look forward to Wed.

It's just for contrast to establish the stakes of Cena's potential title win. Flair's only won the WWE championship twice, WCW championship 8 times. They count 6 of his NWA title runs because they fall under the jurisdiction of WWE and its recognized title lineages.

 So typical WWE nonsense of if it doesn't happen in their bubble it never happened. Yeah another reason I just prefer other wrestling companies. They celebrate all wrestling even when not their own history.



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Leynos said:

Why does WWE act like 17 is a world record when Flair won like 20-something championships? So did Lawler. A bunch of those for Flair were NWA. WCCW (no not WCW) AWA and such. Is that what WWE is counting is just WCW but even then it's flaky as some of the early WCW stuff was when they used the NWA belt. Whatever not watched WWE in 10 years. I been rewatching AEW PPVs on MAX and just watched Stings last match again. Revolutuon was amazing this year and look forward to Wed.

They are only counting the "World" titles from WWF, WWE, WCW and NWA

"Flair is recognized by WWE as a 16-time world champion (8-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, 6-time WCW World Heavyweight Champion, and two-time WWF Champion)"

Though it seems like he had about 20 or 21 titles going by other sources - for some reason WWE is counting only 16 lol

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=1091&page=11



BasilZero said:
Leynos said:

Why does WWE act like 17 is a world record when Flair won like 20-something championships? So did Lawler. A bunch of those for Flair were NWA. WCCW (no not WCW) AWA and such. Is that what WWE is counting is just WCW but even then it's flaky as some of the early WCW stuff was when they used the NWA belt. Whatever not watched WWE in 10 years. I been rewatching AEW PPVs on MAX and just watched Stings last match again. Revolutuon was amazing this year and look forward to Wed.

They are only counting the "World" titles from WWF, WWE, WCW and NWA

"Flair is recognized by WWE as a 16-time world champion (8-time NWA World Heavyweight Champion, 6-time WCW World Heavyweight Champion, and two-time WWF Champion)"

Though it seems like he had about 20 or 21 titles going by other sources - for some reason WWE is counting only 16 lol

https://www.cagematch.net/?id=2&nr=1091&page=11

That's what I mean. He's won 21. Thing is Lawler won Almost 30 world titles with one promotion alone in the 80s.



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KratosLives said:

Cena heel run is so terrible. None of it makes sense. It's like he was reading a script for a movie. 16 time world champ only equal with the greatest ric flair. Holly wood star, tv series, game cameos , biggest merch seller etc and he is upset because cody getting a title run and not him? I don"t believe this bullshit for a sec.

If you've been following cena over his career, none of his talk fits any kind of narrative. Definitely forced. I can't see an endgame here. The writers should be fired.

Errr, heel turns are pretty common in pro-wrestling. This is one of the better ones. And Triple H and co have been doing an excellent job, 2024 pulled the third largest average attendance of any year in WWE/WWF history - only topped by 2000 and 1999. Sure, Cena's heel run turn may upset you, it may not make sense to you, but firing Triple H and the other writers working on Cena's story because of that would be incredibly stupid.



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