Yes, because there were two posts. And no, I didn't. Some of you claimed the Xbox One wouldn't have native 4K and I said yes it will, mentioned it has their own positives and it might not cost a lot. If saying this is adding fuel to something, then you seriously have issues accepting the world doesn't revolve around you and what you like. 

I didn't attack the PS4 Pro. I simply stated facts and an opinion, none of which are an attack. If this is a problem, sue me... I didn't start anything in the first place. If it's now acceptable to mess with the competition in a thread simply because your piece of plastic is more popular, then I can officially confirm mankind went down the shitter and is beyond saving... 

You're not fooling anyone, you know.

Where in this thread prior to your first post did anyone mention Scorpio not doing 4K??

I'm waiting.

Scorpio probably wont do native 4k either... and thats 12months or more away, and will probably cost 449$-499$.

Also it wont have Horizon Zero Dawn.

I am not fooling anyone because I was never fooling anyone to start with. Either believe me or pretend this didn't happen. 

Welp, there went my reason to answer something. Because GOD FORBID someone says something praising competitors! 

Seriously, stop while you're ahead.

Native 4k is confirmed. As is the very likely pricing of $400... 

Embedded systems drop in price monthly... 

Finally, we will have Fallout 4 VR... 

Except the reality is, to get this sort of performance and visuals, it's not going to cost $400/£350 for 90% of gamers,. Most of them don't have a capable TV. Sadly and unfortunately it's the reason I've decided no longer to get one. I have a Samsung 55inch full HD tv but it isn't 4K or HDR so it's completely pointless get a PS4 pro. And there's no way I'm spend £350/$400 on a console to have to spend another £600/$700 on a new TV

Now anyone that takes the time to think about that will at the very least admit that the more pixels being rendered, the harder it will be to tell the difference between resolutions. Take a 4k smartphone and a 1440p smartphone at the same size. It's impossible to tell the difference in resolution. The same applies with TVs.

Hence I find it funny when I read people talk about the PS4pro's faux4k (which in truth has it rendering more native pixels than 1440p) as if the IQ difference between it and native 4k is like night and day. Ah well, I guess we have to quibble about something don't we?

The PS4 Pro 4K upscale rendering is almost equal according to DF its just when you move around with your body you can see a difference like with 3D glasses

From watching many blu-rays I can say from experience that there is a big difference between movies shot at 6K or 65mm and those shot at 3K or 35mm, all downsampled to 1080p. The picture quality of The Revenant on standard blu-ray is amazing. Supersampling will do the same for games on 1080p.

There's no way you can possibly spin PS+ as a negative. Just look at the games provided in the past year. Surely there's more than $50 worth of games in there. Just Yakuza 5 should be enough to redeem what you pay.

You do know the difference in price between GPUs is negligible, yes? 

Wallow all you can, Scorpio superiority is undeniable. It's here to crush the competition... Of course, if you want to mention the release date advantage, go ahead. I am sure it won't last forever. 

Stop? I won't stop posting because you said so... 

You have two options... Concede and accept I wasn't here to start shit or keep this nonsensical nonsense up insisting I was somehow involved in an attempt to sabotage the damn thing. 

Scorpio and Playstation 4 Pro can do 4k and will do 4k in various titles. Scorpio will have more of them.

The Xbox One and the Playstation 4 could do 4k as well, albeit limited to 30hz due to the HDMI specification.

You will still see a significant increase in visual fidelity, there is more to graphics than just resolution that your display outputs.

Besides, the console will *always* render the game at the same resolution regardless of what your display resolution is, then the scaler will downscale or upscale it from there.

If your display has a lower resolution than the games rendered resolution, then the console will downscale it... This isn't something that is to be understated and pushed away... This is actually how many forms of anti-aliasing fundamentally works.. And is how "Bullshots" are created.

The PS4 Pro's "fake" 4k gives a slightly better result than 1600P in the real world. (Aka. 2560x1600)
It still falls short of 4k. It will always fall short of true 4k, it's not meant as a 4k replacement, it's meant to help get around the Playstation 4's real hardware limitations.

As for smartphones... Not an accurate representation of the argument here.

And here is why:

You will still see benefits. In some cases massive increases, depending on how much work a developer puts into the assets.

No it's not.
Digital Foundry found it impressive. It didn't find it to be on equal footing with native 4k.

Checkerboard is used to help get around the consoles inadequate hardware... And for the most part it does a good job at that.
But if you have ever played a PC game at true 4k, you will know it's got it's limitations.

It's even more pronounced when rendering a game though, aliasing isn't as big of an issue for films. :)

The fact it's a pay wall and you don't keep the games when your subscription runs out can be regarded as a negative.

With that said, the Xbox isn't much better as that also has a paywall and you don't get to keep your Xbox One games, only Xbox 360.

That said, it's not an issue for most, but it can be seen as a negative.

Outside of PC gaming, Scorpio will be the platform with the best graphics.

The delay in it's hardware release could also mean more development time for the games to be released on that hardware, but we will need to see how the cards fall when that box releases.

I'm of mixed opinion about it. I don't like the fact that console hardware is starting to fragment... But I am also liking the fact that the baseline is going to be bolstered which benefits the PC and graphics in general. Less stagnation. Yippy.

Serious, I have no idea how you can be under the impression that you've been wronged after coming into the thread and starting shit. No one said Xbox until you showed up. No one cared until you showed up. No one was discussing it until you showed up.

Mafioso implied it (he didn't say it, he could've been referring to well.. Zen...) and then JRPGFan said it. HE was the one who started it up. 

Mafioso implied it, you threw gas on the fire, and now here you are, still arguing it like you didn't have a role in it as you continue to contribute to derailing this thread into a console war.