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Snoopy said:

I guess you forget about royalty fees huh? If we buy games on playstation, Sony gets a cut of the money through royalties. If we buy a game on xbox, Microsoft gets money through royalties. See how that works. Also, foreigners that purchase this game will end up giving us money and foreigners who purchase games on xbox in general will give money back to America no matter what the game is. If xbox dominates the console industry, all the royalty fees will go to us, thus boost our economy and we can acheive more things. 

No goal post moving. At the end of the day. supporting Horizon supports MS which will end up giving us more jobs and money. Nice try tho.

Who said anything about buying games on Playstation. NFS is on XBox One. Yet since it also sells on Playstation it brings in more money than if it was limited to XBox. Foreigners that buy NFS on any platform will bring in more money than foreigners that buy FH3.

Anyway your original goalpost was 'a product made in your country' 'made by a company from your country' not published or sold by a company from your country.

But true, if XBox dominates the console industry, it would give a boost. Same for EA dominating the games industry. 90% of all games being games sold by EA probably still has a bigger effect than 90% of all consoles sold being XBox.

Yet I'll concede since my dinner is done and it's time for some tv.  Supporting Playground games will indeed give them more money to make an even better FH4, and to me FH3 is already a system seller (waiting for Scorpio though) You win, one more Scorpio sale confirmed.
NFS Edge free to play MMO wtf, hype far below zero



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Most items are made in places like China, at very low cost, and by far the biggest chunk of the profit goes to the distributors and shops which may or may not be based in your country.

Then there are things like patents/licences which are often held by western countries. And there are materials, which may or may not be from the manufacturers country.

In the case of consoles they are basically like shops for selling software and plenty of western companies use Japanese consoles to sell games. Some exclusively.

Maybe if a large number of Americans bought American made stuff out of patriotism it would encourage investment in American factories, which would in turn increase American factory jobs. However, for the most part it would only impact a few Americans, who already have a ton of money, by a degree which they aren't going to notice.



Nautilus said:

Its funny.You bash me about twisting the argument of America and Americas, but you then go on to just twist or outright lie about your own arguments.India is NOT a continent, it is a sub-continent.Or if you prefer, a region of Asia.And it is called the Indian subcontinent, not India, making your whole point about that null.

It doesn't matter whether you classify it as continent as sub-continent, or "region".  
They are all larger geographic entities with same name/signifier as smaller entity which is member of larger group.
Which equally applies to the example of German ethno-region vs. German state, despite "continents" never invoked there.
Thus potentially introducing confusion, yet reference to smaller entity who is only one to claim that name as it's own, is accepted usage.
Funny thing is, English language (and others) have numerous others cases of ambiguity in meaning, so what is so special about this case?

Nautilus said:

And how the hell do you know people in another languages refer to the US as America?Do you per any chance speak every language in the world?Dutch,German,japanese?Just for reference, I found this page in which at least one person dosent call US America, so not every person does that:(not to mention that he goes on to say that the term is confusing to him, further proving my point that not everyone uses it or even finds it the most appropriate)

I never claimed anything about "all" languages/people.
I stated that "people all over the world, in English and other languages" use the term America to refer to nation and people of USA.
That statement is not unproven by one person/language not using such approach, but is proven true by more than one language doing so.
How do I know that?  Well, I happened to study Japanese as well as Spanish, and the term in Japanese is romanized as "Amerika-jin".
Of course, had you paid attention you would have known I also speak Spanish by my explicit reference to Spanish term "Estadounidense". 

Nautilus said:

And yes sure, Germany was a kind of "United States" until the end of the 19th century if Im not mistaken, with each state having its own prince that would rule over the state, but still having to answer to an Emperor.Argentina full name is Argentine Republic.Panama full name is Republic of Panama.But what about it?Whats the point?I dont understand why are you trying to make all this a political issue, when there was none to begin with.USA is also casually referenced as United States too, but Mexico is not.Thats all there is to it.

Firstly, I explicitly addressed why this is "political" issue for those who prefer not to use the term "America" re: USA,
namely Latin Americans who resent the presumptiousness and actual domination/aggression by USA within realm of Americas.
To claim that they (unlike other world nations) are actually "confused" by the usage is an insult to their intelligence,
and more particularly, erasing their actual political-linguistic stance against USA presumptiousness and domination.

Secondly, while skipping over distinction between Holy Roman Empire, Prussia/subsequent German Empire, and Germania
suffice it to say that the current and historic existence of Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, and Netherlands should make clear
how a broader region of "German-ness" clearly has and does exist wholely apart from the states calling them self "Germany" etc.
While there does not and has never existed broader regions with a claim to "Argentine" or "Panamanian" identity distinct from those states.
The fact remains that the USA is casually referenced, in both English and other languages, as "America".  That's all there is to it.

Nautilus said:

The point is, I personally find the use of the term US more appropriate on this discussion, since it not a US-centric discussion, and thus envolves people from the other countries.I stated an opinion, but I was not forcing people to use it.That is just an opinion, something some people seem hard to understand.But now, if you only can see conpiracy theorists about "language-nazi mandates"(what the hell is that?)which you think Im trying to do here, then Im sorry, but I cant do nothing to convince you of otherwise.

As I previously stated, you are free to use "US"/"USA" designations as you wish (despite the aesthetic awkwardness of acronyms),
nobody ever made an issue of your personal usage of such, and as such nobody attacked your personal expression of your opinion.
But you were the one who made an issue of other's usage of language, seeking to change their usage of language.
Your first post in the thread, referring to OP's language usage: "You mean US?Because America is a continent, you know?"
You were not impeded in your self-expression using your preferred terminology, you intervened to change others' language usage.
You act as if you're more enlightened than the OP or others.  You're not.



SvennoJ said:
Snoopy said:

I guess you forget about royalty fees huh? If we buy games on playstation, Sony gets a cut of the money through royalties. If we buy a game on xbox, Microsoft gets money through royalties. See how that works. Also, foreigners that purchase this game will end up giving us money and foreigners who purchase games on xbox in general will give money back to America no matter what the game is. If xbox dominates the console industry, all the royalty fees will go to us, thus boost our economy and we can acheive more things. 

No goal post moving. At the end of the day. supporting Horizon supports MS which will end up giving us more jobs and money. Nice try tho.

Who said anything about buying games on Playstation. NFS is on XBox One. Yet since it also sells on Playstation it brings in more money than if it was limited to XBox. Foreigners that buy NFS on any platform will bring in more money than foreigners that buy FH3.

Anyway your original goalpost was 'a product made in your country' 'made by a company from your country' not published or sold by a company from your country.

But true, if XBox dominates the console industry, it would give a boost. Same for EA dominating the games industry. 90% of all games being games sold by EA probably still has a bigger effect than 90% of all consoles sold being XBox.

Yet I'll concede since my dinner is done and it's time for some tv.  Supporting Playground games will indeed give them more money to make an even better FH4, and to me FH3 is already a system seller (waiting for Scorpio though) You win, one more Scorpio sale confirmed.
NFS Edge free to play MMO wtf, hype far below zero

I was referring to xbox dominating and making money. However, I'm glad you admit I won. I am snoopy the genius.



mutantsushi said:
Nautilus said:

Its funny.You bash me about twisting the argument of America and Americas, but you then go on to just twist or outright lie about your own arguments.India is NOT a continent, it is a sub-continent.Or if you prefer, a region of Asia.And it is called the Indian subcontinent, not India, making your whole point about that null.

It doesn't matter whether you classify it as continent as sub-continent, or "region".  
They are all larger geographic entities with same name/signifier as smaller entity which is member of larger group.
Thus potentially introducing confusion, yet reference to smaller entity who is only one to claim that name as it's own, is accepted usage.
Funny thing is, English language (and others) have numerous others cases of ambiguity in meaning, so what is so special about this case?

Nautilus said:

And how the hell do you know people in another languages refer to the US as America?Do you per any chance speak every language in the world?Dutch,German,japanese?Just for reference, I found this page in which at least one person dosent call US America, so not every person does that:(not to mention that he goes on to say that the term is confusing to him, further proving my point that not everyone uses it or even finds it the most appropriate)

I never claimed anything about "all" languages/people.
I stated that "people all over the world, in English and other languages" use the term America to refer to nation and people of USA.
That statement is not unproven by one person/language not using such approach, but is proven true by more than one language doing so.
How do I know that?  Well, I happened to study Japanese as well as Spanish, and the term in Japanese is romanized as "Amerika-jin".
Of course, had you paid attention you would have known I also speak Spanish by my explicit reference to Spanish term "Estadounidense". 

Nautilus said:

And yes sure, Germany was a kind of "United States" until the end of the 19th century if Im not mistaken, with each state having its own prince that would rule over the state, but still having to answer to an Emperor.Argentina full name is Argentine Republic.Panama full name is Republic of Panama.But what about it?Whats the point?I dont understand why are you trying to make all this a political issue, when there was none to begin with.USA is also casually referenced as United States too, but Mexico is not.Thats all there is to it.

Firstly, I explicitly addressed why this is "political" issue for those who prefer not to use the term "America" re: USA,
namely Latin Americans who resent the presumptiousness and actual domination/aggression by USA within realm of Americas.
To claim that they (unlike other world nations) are actually "confused" by the usage is an insult to their intelligence,
and more particularly, erasing their actual political stance against USA presumptiousness and domination.

Secondly, while skipping over distinction between Holy Roman Empire, Prussia/subsequent German Empire, and Germania
suffice it to say that the current and historic existence of Austria, Switzerland, Lichtenstein, and Netherlands should make clear
how a broader region of "German-ness" clearly has and does exist wholely apart from the states calling them self "Germany" etc.
While there does not and has never existed broader regions with a claim to "Argentine" or "Panamanian" identity distinct from those states.
The fact remains that the USA is casually referenced, in both English and other languages, as "America".  That's all there is to it.

Nautilus said:

The point is, I personally find the use of the term US more appropriate on this discussion, since it not a US-centric discussion, and thus envolves people from the other countries.I stated an opinion, but I was not forcing people to use it.That is just an opinion, something some people seem hard to understand.But now, if you only can see conpiracy theorists about "language-nazi mandates"(what the hell is that?)which you think Im trying to do here, then Im sorry, but I cant do nothing to convince you of otherwise.

As I previously stated, you are free to use "US"/"USA" designations as you wish (despite the aesthetic awkwardness of acronyms),
nobody ever made an issue of your personal usage of such, and as such nobody attacked your personal expression of your opinion.
But you were the one who made an issue of other's usage of language, seeking to change their usage of language.
Your first post in the thread, referring to OP's language usage: "You mean US?Because America is a continent, you know?"
You were not impeded in your self-expression using your preferred terminology, you intervened to change others' language usage.
You act as if you're more enlightened than the OP or others.  You're not.

To your first point,Im not the one that classify it as such(Indian subcontinent).Its the international definition.(or one of the definitions)

http://www.mapsofworld.com/pages/world-trivia/indian-subcontinent/

And why is this, and i quote "It doesn't matter whether you classify it as continent as sub-continent, or "region".  

They are all larger geographic entities with same name/signifier as smaller entity which is member of larger group.
Thus potentially introducing confusion..."

and yet you find a problem with me saying America instead of Americas, which by the way is not exactly wrong, as Bralod stated before.Double standard?

To your second point, I quote again "In fact, people all over the world, in English and other languages, use "American" as national identifier relevant to the "USA"."If that is not claiming  anything about "all" languages/people, then I dont know what isnt.If you dont mean everyone, then dont put it in the sentence, say something like "most".And that person statement is enough proof that not everyone uses the term, wether it is by political reason or not as you like to believe.And I do pay attention, its you that always backtracks when I present evidence that you cant refute, just like on this point and the one before.

To your third point, I still dont understand why you are bringing the whole political thing.I already said that I used the term because I think its the best for the discussion at hand and I did so without any political meaning.You may be right about all that you said, about trying to downplay the US influence in the rest of America, but the whole point is the use I am giving to the word, not the use it is given by other people.

And finally to the last point, I never meant to sound like I was entitled or anything.Reading through it again, I agree that i may seem like it, but I never had the intention.I still stand by the opinion that I was just trying to make things simpler to people that are reading through and trying to understand.Again, its my opinion that the use of the term US is better suited here than America, and thats all there is to it.Im sorry if I passed as anything else.But here you come, repreending everything I argue in a way a bit "extreme", claiming things that are obviosly lies or simply extrapolations, saying I have "nazi-language" agendas or something like this and having all this feeling of superiority while you "teach" me history, and you say that I feel more entitled than the others?Please.Look in the mirror before saying that.

Look, this has gone way out of hand and it has derailed the threat to say the least.I say we just admit that people have different ways to refer to the United States Of America and call it a day.If you wish to further engage in the discussion, just PM me.Now if I will answer is another discussion.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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I'd like to but often times either it is unavailable or more expensive. The easiest one is food but often times most of that stuff is imported and also if you live in a geographically large country such as Canada or America, you have to worry how much it really matters that you're buying nationally if the item that you are buy originates from the opposite coast.



Leadified said:
I'd like to but often times either it is unavailable or more expensive. The easiest one is food but often times most of that stuff is imported and also if you live in a geographically large country such as Canada or America, you have to worry how much it really matters that you're buying nationally if the item that you are buy originates from the opposite coast.

The supermarkets also list produce grown in your province (Ontario in my case) as well as the country. It's seasonal of course, damn plants won't grow in winter! Of course that's not the whole story, farmers here hire seasonal agricultural workers from Jamaica, Mexico and other Caribbean countries to harvest the local produce. At least it's still more efficient to transport the workers instead of all the food. 17,000 this year in Ontario.



SvennoJ said:
Leadified said:
I'd like to but often times either it is unavailable or more expensive. The easiest one is food but often times most of that stuff is imported and also if you live in a geographically large country such as Canada or America, you have to worry how much it really matters that you're buying nationally if the item that you are buy originates from the opposite coast.

The supermarkets also list produce grown in your province (Ontario in my case) as well as the country. It's seasonal of course, damn plants won't grow in winter! Of course that's not the whole story, farmers here hire seasonal agricultural workers from Jamaica, Mexico and other Caribbean countries to harvest the local produce. At least it's still more efficient to transport the workers instead of all the food. 17,000 this year in Ontario.

Ah yeah you're right about the provincial labels, I've forgotten about those.



Always the best product available. Unfortunately in Australia we dont have many so i have to source from overseas.

Interesting question. All consoles this gen have American Tech inside them so does that count as an American product?

Than you have the point if its assembled in that country when most things are today are made in China.

Than you have to know if that company is owned by a mother company that isnt from that country.

So many avenues where a product comes from. Owned, assembled, parts, there really isnt anything made in one country without the help of another. 



I might buy an inferior product, but I prefer buying what suits me, inferior or otherwise...