I won't buy but it's good to know

http://www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/pro-evolution-soccer-2017

Wow I would like to try it but I don't know if myclub is anywhere near as good as FUT. Also it's likely that online is dead on Xbox. So I already pre-ordered Fifa17.

Yeah I bought PES2015 (for 5€ lol) and it was extremely average. Can't believe it has changed that much between it, the 2016 version and now.

(coming from a huge PES fan between PES3 and 6)

Konami already closed the PES2015 servers (at least on X1). Even a few months before that it was near impossible to find a match.
So yeah the online will be dead within a year at most.

I'm a huge PES fan also, played it from the PS1 days when it was called ISS Pro Evolution. PES 6 was awesome on PS2 but absolutely shit on PS3. It was a completely different game. From that point it struggled to recover until recently, played the 2017 demo and I can safely say it's back. 

The lack of licences do suck and I used to download files to patch in kits all the league names, PS4 is restrictive on file saves though unless it's changed since launch. So if you do buy Pro on PS4 you're stuck with names like Man Red and Man Blue for most of the teams unless you edit them. 

But it's from Konami and Konami is the worst.

I don't play soccer games but anything that could hurt (even if slightly) EA Sports is a good thing imo.

You think its better to hurt the gaming devision from EA over Konami? Odd decision.

Good to see the lift in score (for now) on Pro Evolution Soccer, but after playing both demo's I am going for FIFA, the real clubs and players are always the main drive for me, I tought both games played and felt good, but the more populair and official game will be more fun with friends, online and to really get all the players from my favorite club, thats worth more then the review score, since FIFA has not been a bad game for some time.

I remember in the PS2 Era, I used to be a Pro Evolution man :)

I hear good things and i got last years euro edition, but for this year i'm more interested in FIFA. That story mode should be good fun.

I'll never understand why FIFA (the organization) only sells the licences to one gaming company.

PES should have all club and national team licenses as well, then we'd finally have a real competition again.