So in turn you believe that this will end up with the pro taking away most of that casual market leaving only the 3% or basically crippling the share on the PC side by a lot if we go by this apparent value and power?. Is this what you meant before when you said "PC was winning too much"?.

I still don't see how MS is 1upping them with the Scorpio when it hasn't even releasing this year. Sony will just announce the PS5 a year later and the Scorpio's momentum (if any) will be stopped dead in its track. Speaking of HDR, you realise that all PS4s will be capable of that, right?

And what that last MS tweet told me is that the only real perk of the X1S is the 4k Blu-Ray player (we all know how physical Blu-Ray sales are going these days, right) and that MS is still more concerned with being an entertainment system than a gaming platform. Guess what brought the PS back on top. Being a gaming machine.

No, that's not what I believe.  Nobody said "most" of anything.  Maybe a few % difference in sales.

Honest question, not attacking you or anything, but I feel like you interpret things in extremes and flip-flop your position.  Do you happen to be bi-polar?

You aren't attacking me and I don't feel attacked. What I feel is a non definite answer being given. See when I saw your previous exchange with the other user you had quoted, it made me beg the question of whether or not that price and power was more than enough to stand toe to toe with something that costed more and gave that bit more. Most conversations like that end up with one of two answers:

1) Paying more and getting more wins out

2)Emulating that power but costing less wins out over paying more.

I've seen this popping up now and then over the years and we've never gotten that definitive final answer. What is better objectively?, paying more and getting more or paying less but emulating near that level of power?. If the answer were to be #2 then we can skip straight to the next subject that has gone on since the the old days of gaming, "why would you want to build a PC?". That's all I'm getting at here, that's all I want to know. I want to know from the other side of the spectrum as to why paying more for more power isn't as good as emulating that power.

With this topic I'm wanting to play devil's advocate. I want to know how and why cheap power emulation is supposed to beat out raw power for a price (talking at every turn here) and supposedelyturn the tide, turn that win into a loss for the other side so to speak. 

You've shown us numbers split now into 3 groups, with one user has already done as I wanted and noted that the PS4P is apparently going to take away a good chunk of the highest percentage of users, users that could buy the lower end cards. He even pointed out that those who were waiting for price reductions were just as likely to jump to the Pro, again going by your numbers and another users talk of waiting for reduced price GPU's. Perm has already pointed out at the numbers being cherry picked, but I'd still like to know if that larger number were to definitely be taken away from that market rather than "maybe", we've had plenty of discussion leading up to this point into what a PC and Pro can do, we may as well get to the "I think" part.

Personally I don't see a massive change happening, not in a way that would cripple the platform to a point where people could easily sum it up as another "dark age". I see the Pro selling well, the Scorpio to a fair degree (price point will make or break it), the NX, god knows but I'm not seeing it pulling a Wii, that system was lightning in a bottle. Apart from that I see things chugging along as they do, with people buying the Pro, scorp, NX and some opting for new GPU's both old and new (people will buy second hand GPU's, I've even given mine to friends over the years as they have to me).

Apart from all that, I want to know what you think. You have the numbers, you have the charts, the history and the current information before you. What do you think will happen to the PC market now the Pro and Scorpio exist and why will it?.

Don't take my previous ramblings as me thinking you of a threat. I don't take you for attacking me either (unless you're like two other gents within this thread who have nothing else better to do with their "boredom").

Both brands are multimedia platforms which prioritize gaming. MS is competing with Sony. Microsoft using Sony's own product against them and Sony is backtracking saying that 4k doesnt matter now, when thats what they were selling about the pro from the beginning. Of course HDR is coming to all brands and stopping their gamers from jumping ship to PC is unrealistic. Its two completely different experiences. At this juncture, the only thing to improve the gaming experience that needs to be done as an upgrade is have games run at 1080p and 60 fps before the next gen comes. PS is on top and this wont stop its ascent, but Sony opened the door for Microsoft to mock the pro with the S model and tease the Scorpios actual power vs the Pro as the definitive console of the gen in terms of power. Now just because they one up them there, it doesnt mean that its going to sell better than the Pro. Its a sell for me, but I havent forgotten the wisdom of days past where the most powerful consoles do not always win out in the generation. Sony should've just said that this is a more powerful console to give choices, but its no threat to PC. Microsoft knows they cannot stop gamers from jumping ship to PC, which is why they have invested in XBox Live on PC coupled with Xbox/PC exclusives. Sony started this gen with a graphical advantage over the XBox. Being that Microsoft follows their every move Sony just opened the door for Microsoft to redeem themselves rather than wait until next gen to accomplish this.

I knew.

WTF are you on about mate? Seriously because who said anything about buying a PC to replace a console and platform wars, I game on both for a start so know PC gamers will always opt for a PC for a number of reasons, nothing was said about platform replacing so that's your own little fantasy here.

You can't speak for every PC gamer, mate. Generalizations are bad, especially when you can't back them up with facts. Sony's teams have already done enough research to know that there is a market for ps4pro that includes people who buy a console and are not happy after a few years and consider getting a pc. The minority that buys the cutting edge technology obviously doesn't care about that. Millions of others potentially do.

Again WTF are you on about? Cutting edge tech? What post are you reading kid you're as ott as the other guy here as the post I made and both your replies don't even compute you both made up arguments in your heads that aren't there, PC gaming isn't like console gaming for a start that's why people opt for them many PC gamers game on both as well which is another reason people will still opt for PCs.

Nothing was said about replacing consoles or cutting edge tech in the post so explain your replies.

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You realize you can buy Steam keys outside of Steam, yes?