There's not even a mentionable amount of content in 4K. Sure, there are some UHD Blu-Rays on the market, but most of them are just upscaled. Hollywood is just now adapting to 4K, most movies are still shot in 2K (which is only a little above 1080p). The Revenant was shot in 4K, but other than that? Can't think of any recent movie shot in native 4K.

Such a player makes sense in about 5 years, when the PS5 comes around. I'm sure that thing will have it. For the moment I'm good. Wake me up when there's actual content.

In this case, I rather have the PS4 Pro come in cheap.Though I haven't bought movies in a long time, I can understand people that want to do so, as physical movies are forever, and won't disappear from streaming services and the like over backdoor deals that fall through. I would say if you want a game system and a UHD player, stick with the XBox One S. I think a lot of others will be fine with Pro being a games slanted machine though.

I think people are missing the point about the UHD player. Even though streaming is popular with the masses for now. When 4k tv's become more common people will need to upgrade their internet connection to a faster speed to be able to stream. Most will not because they can't afford it, or they are screwed by a region where they have a shit ISP. I have a data cap as to how much I can use a month 4k streaming will kill my data in a week because it uses so much more than 1080p streaming.

Why are people so quick to agree that Sony is doing the right thing, instead of voicing their opinion and demanding choices?
Sony is following Apple's lead instead of giving you choices they are telling you what you want/need.
Like I said earlier I'm going to get the PS4 Pro since it will handle newer games better and if and when I jump into VR I will have a better experience there too. But I'm definitely getting the Scorpio too which is going to be my main entertainment hub.

I'll be honest, I didn't know 4k blu rays even existed.
But considering I don't even have a TV, and just watch blu rays on my 1920x1080 computer moniter, whether or not the PS4 Pro's lacking a 4k blu ray is inconsequential to me.

i said apparently,

thats what i got form the september meeting

People are being really dense, or quite frankly, stupid. Did you start buying DVDs before owning a DVD player? Did you start buying blu-rays before having a blu-ray player and HD TV? So why ask if people have been buying 4K blurays if they don't own a 4K blu-ray player and 4K capable TV, and if not, why they should care about there being a 4K bluray player?

To this day, my PS3 and PS4 remain my ONLY blu-ray players. I've never had a blu-ray player in a computer or have never had a standalone one. As have been said, a 4K stream will never compare with a 4K bluray. If Sony were so convinced about a streaming and digital future, why even include a blu-ray drive? Why not make the PS4 Pro completely digital?

Sony is not only a game constructor but also a TV constructor. If they wanted to encourage people to upgrade to 4K TVs, having a 4K PS4 would be a huge help. I just feel like Sony is being really stupid and short-sighted. It seems they've gone the Microsoft way in prematurely thinking it's time to go all-digital and all-streaming. That might happen one day, but not right now.

Whatever. I'll be saving up for a Scorpio.

Physical is not dying. That would imply it's going to be completely gone... extinct. Vinyl records are a thing. Physical media dying out has been overly exaggerated to the point of hilarity. It will shrink, but never die. And, if I'm right... it may even increase when the novelty of "ohhh, ahhh, instant video" becomes boring and old. 

you can buy an xbox1-S now if you want 4k blu-ray it's a great machine you don't have to wait and save for a scorpio

maybe sony decided to wait until PS5 for uhd disc, doesn't seem like a bad idea to me as uhd will be more mainstream in 2-3 years,by the time pspro comes out they'll have 45m ps4's out there ,maybe they took a decision to to keep ps4/pspro the same format

honestly i can't see how it is so bad sony will end up with 80m ps4's for gen 8 and bring out PS5 before it ends

ps4pro not having a blu-ray drive would be a very dumb decision,they could have a uhd drive in a later model if they really want,when the other 2 models fall in price 

I did actually by DVDs, Blu-rays and HD-DVDs before being able to play them. I first paid $400 for an early DVD drive to watch DVD on pc before buying an $800 early standalone player. Bought the HD-DVD add-on for 360 and the ps3 on launch to watch those movies.

This time I'm not buying early 4K movies though. The source material simply isn't there. The upgrade to scanning 35mm movies in 4K is very small and pretty much all digitally made movies from 2000 till very recently are limited with 2k masters and/or 2.8k footage. HDR is not something to simply add to old movies either. Max brightness in cinemas was 14Fl, 48 nits, not 1000 nits that HDR specifies.
There's no big advance in sound either. Blu-ray came with lossless sound, good step up from lossy dolby digital. I would have liked 96khz and 192khz tracks for 4K, the few blu-rays that have that sound phenomenal. Instead we only get more channels and object based sounds (dolby atmos). I don't have room for more speakers but do have a fully capable 192khz amp that gives me goosebumps when used properly. (Akira sounds so good)
There aren't any advantages to extras either on 4K releases. There are actually less extras and/or you have to swap discs to the included blu-ray version to access them.

4K blu-ray feels like the new Laserdisc to me. I'll get it at some point when I can afford to upgrade my projector. Yet I'm far far less excited this time than when DVD and Blu-ray got out. And that's from someone with over 600 dvds and over 500 blu-rays. There's a handful 70mm movies I would like on 4K, that's about it so far. The only advantage I see atm is less compression artifacts than regular blu-ray and better color resolution. (HDR doesn't work on projectors)

Whatever indeed. Maybe next year. Too early to buy a 4K tv with HDR still a moving target and 4K projectors are $8k and more. Scorpio might be coming at the right time. As a videophile I'm simply not impressed after reading 4K UHD disc reviews.

high dynamic range.  basically means more colors.  i haven't seen it personally but supposedly it has a more dramatic affect on making the images look great than the upgrade from 1080p to 4k. 

HDR is only on more recent 4k tvs and it has an market penetration of about 2% i believe.  it's not a big deal yet but sony gave it out to all ps4s for free so that's nice.