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bigtakilla on 09 September 2016
Hynad said:
Diggle said:

I don't believe anything until there is an official announcement. Phil has a habit of putting both feet in his mouth. All of that is hearsay until an official reveal.

When did he put both feet in his mouth? 

What I read from you so far is nothing but unreasonable bashing. There's no reason to think MS lied about the specs the Scoprio will have. And when it comes to official announcements, you can't go more official than when the head of the XBox division himself reveals the specs.

Not to mention a lot of flip flopping has been to the benefit of gamers (at least from MS on whole). No DRM, good thing. An SKU without Kinect for $100 cheaper, good thing.



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Diggle on 09 September 2016
Hynad said:
Diggle said:

He put his feet in his mouth many times before but I will not get into that as it is too long. As for the Scorpio, nothing is concrete as they go through many revisions before settling on the actual specs so they may not deliver what they claim and also they would have to decide if it is even worth it with the way this gen has gone and how long before this console releases. There is nothing unreasonable about what I said and what you call bashing is reasonable doubt from many flip flopping of MS this generation.

So you are just assuming things out of thin air. And can't be arsed to back anything.

Glad you made that clear.


Moving on.

I already explained it to you. Nothing is guaranteed until it actually happens. If you can't understand that then this conversation is over. The proof is in the facts of their history.



Diggle on 09 September 2016
bigtakilla said:
Diggle said:

I don't believe anything until there is an official announcement. Phil has a habit of putting both feet in his mouth. All of that is hearsay until an official reveal.

You're not wrong that shit happens, but some specs have been revealed. It's not like we know nothing. Heck, PS Pro might change before it releases, highly unlikely but not impossible. 

Those specs can be changed but we will see. It's just easy to talk before you actually finalize the project.



bigtakilla on 09 September 2016
Diggle said:
bigtakilla said:

You're not wrong that shit happens, but some specs have been revealed. It's not like we know nothing. Heck, PS Pro might change before it releases, highly unlikely but not impossible. 

Those specs can be changed but we will see. It's just easy to talk before you actually finalize the project.

Fair enough, but are there any instances where MS has flip flopped to the detriment of gamers and not benefit them?



Imaginedvl on 09 September 2016
bigtakilla said:
Diggle said:

Those specs can be changed but we will see. It's just easy to talk before you actually finalize the project.

Fair enough, but are there any instances where MS has flip flopped to the detriment of gamers and not benefit them?

Nope :)

It is highly doubtful in any case that Sony will change anything now for the Pro.
Microsoft got some time but what they announced will not change, if something changes it will just be for the better but nothing will be lower that what has been already announced.



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Hynad on 09 September 2016
bigtakilla said:
Hynad said:

When did he put both feet in his mouth? 

What I read from you so far is nothing but unreasonable bashing. There's no reason to think MS lied about the specs the Scoprio will have. And when it comes to official announcements, you can't go more official than when the head of the XBox division himself reveals the specs.

Not to mention a lot of flip flopping has been to the benefit of gamers (at least from MS on whole). No DRM, good thing. An SKU without Kinect for $100 cheaper, good thing.

People can't blame someone for the mistakes of someone else. Phil Spencer hasn't been doing any of this.



Hynad on 09 September 2016
Diggle said:
Hynad said:

So you are just assuming things out of thin air. And can't be arsed to back anything.

Glad you made that clear.


Moving on.

I already explained it to you. Nothing is guaranteed until it actually happens. If you can't understand that then this conversation is over. The proof is in the facts of their history.

And you can't bring up a single time that they lied about such things. And as someone else said, you can't bring up a single time they ended up changing anything they announced to the detriment of consumers (as in: deliver less than what was announced).



bigtakilla on 09 September 2016
Hynad said:
bigtakilla said:

Not to mention a lot of flip flopping has been to the benefit of gamers (at least from MS on whole). No DRM, good thing. An SKU without Kinect for $100 cheaper, good thing.

People can't blame someone for the mistakes of someone else. Phil Spencer hasn't been doing any of this.

Truth



Hynad on 09 September 2016
bigtakilla said:
Hynad said:

Did I call anything something it isn't?

Saying PS Pro being 4k gaming is.

Upscaled, checkerboard 4k, or whatever other techniques used for each games, the footage they saw was 4K. The method used to get there isn't really relevent. The end result is games delivering 4K like experience (as evidenced by the ROTTR analysis comparing 4k native PC version to PS4 Pro version)... So if you want to keep playing semantics (for what reason, really?),  it will be without me.



bigtakilla on 09 September 2016
Hynad said:
bigtakilla said:

Saying PS Pro being 4k gaming is.

Upscaled, checkerboard 4k, or whatever other techniques used for each games, the footage they saw was 4K. The method used to get there isn't really relevent. The end result is games delivering 4K like experience (as evidenced by the ROTTR analysis comparing 4k native PC version to PS4 Pro version)... So if you want to keep playing semantics (for what reason, really?),  it will be without me.

You could have said nearly 4k. All I'm saying.