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zorg1000 said:

on top of that i could see Sony & Microsoft getting into bidding wars trying to get various exclusives,
meaning i would likely have to own both a Playstation & Xbox to get Nintendo's full output.

alternately... couldn't you just see Nintendo going Sony exclusive (as far as console go, smartphones apart),
given Japanese nationalism/etc, cultural comfort/etc, and Sony clearly having by far strongest global platform?
given Nintendo isn't used to multiplatform development, switching to Sony exclusive would be most natural move IMHO.



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daredevil.shark said:
Why fan? I thought liquid cooling will do pretty well for it. As for rest of the configuration it doesn't look much appealing.

Do they actually use that setup for consoles? I haven't heard about it myself.

No, they don't. And CLC or Closed Liquid Coolers still use a fan.



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Soundwave said:
thismeintiel said:

It's Nintendo. Does this really surprise you? They haven't tried to wow us with specs since the GameCube. This was also started under Iwata, who seemed to prefer the underspeced route. Considering his untimely death, out of respect I doubt Nintendo will change much from his philosophy for the NX, even if it should have been.

Actually *for a portable device* a Parker based Tegra (X2?) is a fucking beast of a chip. It's bleeding edge. 

That's like 16x better than a Vita and next to a 3DS ... lol, it's like going from an NES to a Playstation. 

And 720p for a 6-inch device is still a pretty damn good PPI, it's almost on par with a $1000 iPad Pro for PPI. 

Having a screen resolution over 720p would be ultimately a waste of resources for a gaming-centric device, you'll get a very nice image quality at 720p on thte go at 6-inches provided Nintendo doesn't use an ass quality display and you save on battery life which is more important at that point. 

I think the idea of attaching it to a home dock which can increase power would be a very smart way of closing the power gap for home use, my worry there is Nintendo will get lazy and say "well this is good enough" ... this would be a great way for Nintendo to compromise and offer people who want higher end visuals at home a bone. That would be a true "hybrid" device IMO, but we'll see if they do that or not. 

I have a 5.2" 1080p phone.  Before I had a 5.5" 720p one.  I am never going back to 720p.  Sure, it's not god awful, but you can tell the difference.  And once you've seen that difference, you don't want to go back.  It's just nice not seeing the pixels that make up the image.  A 6.2" 720p screen would be worse.

As far as the Tegra goes, I'm still skeptical that that is what's in it.  Going AMD would most likely be cheaper, and Nintendo likes cheap.  The other manufacturers have also had problems with Nvidia, which is why everybody went with AMD this gen.  I just don't see them switching.  AMD also said they had 3 wins this year.  One would launch this year, most likely Neo, and the other 2 next year.  If we assume Scorpio is one, who is the other?  I would think the NX.  Unless Sony really is trying to put out another PSP after the success of the PS4, but I just don't see that happening.

Personally, I think the dock will end up just being a easy way to hook up the console to the TV and charge it.  I don't think they are going to put extra HW inside it to boost the power by a little.  It just seems like it would increase the price incredibly.  And this thing needs to stay cheap if Nintendo wants it to sell.

Soundwave said:
thismeintiel said:

Exactly. This is why I would prefer them to go 3rd party. It has nothing to do with wanting them to fail. On the contrary, I'd like to see them become one of the largest 3rd party devs/pubs around. 

I mean, could you imagine how awesome a true sequel to Mario RPG and/or 64 could be when it's not held back by their HW choices. On a Neo, for example. And they would no longer have to worry about developing HW that appeals to decreasing number of people.

The downside to that is a lot of Nintendo IP would likely get shelved forever. 

Nintendo wouldn't bother to make a game like Punch-Out or Pilotwings or Kid Icarus ... they make these types of games now because they have to support an entire platform. Probably something like Splatoon likely wouldn't get made either. 

As a third party they'd just become like EA and all these other shitty companies and just pump out Mario Kart, Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, and nothing but every 1-2 years because that's all that would sell and they're under no obligation to diversify their library as they have no platform to really support. 

Look at how much more diverse and great Sega's software was when they had to support the Dreamcast versus what it became as a third party.

I highly doubt that.  As long as they sell decently, Nintendo will make more of them.  Hell, if they are given support from ND or SM, like Sony often does for devs getting to know their HW, they might actually pump these games out much quicker than they have been doing.  Unless you think Nintendo is as "evil" as EA and their consoles are the only thing holding back that evil.

And Sega's lack of diversity had A LOT more to do with their financial woes than it did their lack of supporting a console.  Nintendo doesn't face that same fate.



thismeintiel said:

As far as the Tegra goes, I'm still skeptical that that is what's in it.  Going AMD would most likely be cheaper, and Nintendo likes cheap.  The other manufacturers have also had problems with Nvidia, which is why everybody went with AMD this gen.  I just don't see them switching.  AMD also said they had 3 wins this year.  One would launch this year, most likely Neo, and the other 2 next year.  If we assume Scorpio is one, who is the other?  I would think the NX.  Unless Sony really is trying to put out another PSP after the success of the PS4, but I just don't see that happening.

People want to project past price dynamics on the future, when that isn't necessarily the case.  
Not saying I'm convinced of NVIDIA vs AMD, but different factors could have led NVIDIA to change approach this time.
Re: AMD 3 wins, well, MS and Sony's Slim models (re-fabbed at 14nm FinFET) could be new contracts.  Then you have NEO.
Scorpio may not even have finalized AMD contracts yet, which is unsurprising given it has no date yet, Zen is only starting sampling etc.



mutantsushi said:
zorg1000 said:

on top of that i could see Sony & Microsoft getting into bidding wars trying to get various exclusives,
meaning i would likely have to own both a Playstation & Xbox to get Nintendo's full output.

alternately... couldn't you just see Nintendo going Sony exclusive (as far as console go, smartphones apart),
given Japanese nationalism/etc, cultural comfort/etc, and Sony clearly having by far strongest global platform?
given Nintendo isn't used to multiplatform development, switching to Sony exclusive would be most natural move IMHO.

its possible but i definitely think MS would shell out alot of money to get some Nintendo love.



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zorg1000 said:
mutantsushi said:

alternately... couldn't you just see Nintendo going Sony exclusive (as far as console go, smartphones apart),
given Japanese nationalism/etc, cultural comfort/etc, and Sony clearly having by far strongest global platform?
given Nintendo isn't used to multiplatform development, switching to Sony exclusive would be most natural move IMHO.

its possible but i definitely think MS would shell out alot of money to get some Nintendo love.

but consider the position of MS in Nintendo's home market, Japan,
and that MS exclusivity effectively means cutting Japan market off,
which would be a crazy move if Nintendo would be serious about protecting the legacy of their IP.
more likely is the MS might pay Nintendo to also give them a port, i.e. not go exclusive for Sony, 
who probably has effective lead of at least 3:1 as far as Nintendo games would go (i.e. considering Japan market, platform preferences etc)



thismeintiel said:

It's Nintendo. Does this really surprise you? They haven't tried to wow us with specs since the GameCube. This was also started under Iwata, who seemed to prefer the underspeced route. Considering his untimely death, out of respect I doubt Nintendo will change much from his philosophy for the NX, even if it should have been.

The NX is, potentially, the one of the most powerful mobile device to come to market. Comparitively speaking, this is well and far above what the Vita was relative to its release year... also probably not nearly as idiotically marketted and built (designing a handheld that has trouble rendering its own screen resolution is something special).

Your assertion is very odd given what we know of this thing. Even the X1 is a very high-end chip, and that's in the dev kits with a maxed out clock.



mutantsushi said:
zorg1000 said:

its possible but i definitely think MS would shell out alot of money to get some Nintendo love.

but consider the position of MS in Nintendo's home market, Japan,
and that MS exclusivity effectively means cutting Japan market off,
which would be a crazy move if Nintendo would be serious about protecting the legacy of their IP.
more likely is the MS might pay Nintendo to also give them a port, i.e. not go exclusive for Sony, 
who probably has effective lead of at least 3:1 as far as Nintendo games would go (i.e. considering Japan market, platform preferences etc)

if Nintendo were to go exclusive to one or the other than Sony is more likely but i dont see Nintendo wanting to essentially be someone else's 2nd party studio and they will likely use their leverage to get the most money out of them.



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mutantsushi said:
thismeintiel said:

As far as the Tegra goes, I'm still skeptical that that is what's in it.  Going AMD would most likely be cheaper, and Nintendo likes cheap.  The other manufacturers have also had problems with Nvidia, which is why everybody went with AMD this gen.  I just don't see them switching.  AMD also said they had 3 wins this year.  One would launch this year, most likely Neo, and the other 2 next year.  If we assume Scorpio is one, who is the other?  I would think the NX.  Unless Sony really is trying to put out another PSP after the success of the PS4, but I just don't see that happening.

People want to project past price dynamics on the future, when that isn't necessarily the case.  
Not saying I'm convinced of NVIDIA vs AMD, but different factors could have led NVIDIA to change approach this time.
Re: AMD 3 wins, well, MS and Sony's Slim models (re-fabbed at 14nm FinFET) could be new contracts.  Then you have NEO.
Scorpio may not even have finalized AMD contracts yet, which is unsurprising given it has no date yet, Zen is only starting sampling etc.

They said one would release this year, the other two next year. Both Slims, and most likely Neo, are launching this year, so that doesn't explain it. Also, AMD wouldn't have to "win" anything for the Slims. AMD is the only place Sony and MS could go for smaller versions of their chips.



mutantsushi said:
Soundwave said:

The downside to that is a lot of Nintendo IP would likely get shelved forever. 

Nintendo wouldn't bother to make a game like Punch-Out or Pilotwings or Kid Icarus ... they make these types of games now because they have to support an entire platform. Probably something like Splatoon likely wouldn't get made either. 

...Look at how much more diverse and great Sega's software was when they had to support the Dreamcast...

Except the potential sales base for those type of games would be multiple time larger than it is, e.g. for Wii U.
Everything they can currently justify making would become just that much more profitable.
Sega had financial problems... Instead of failing, if Nintendo just went from console success to 3rd party dev success,
they don't have Sega's problem, and the same type of development they might do anyways just instantly has a larger market.
Even if they aren't interested in developing every single IP they hold, it seems like they would be more open to licencing them.

its not as simple as bigger install base=bigger sales. we have seen that alot of Nintendo IP have pretty consistent sales regardless of install base. Heres a few examples.

Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire, Diamond/Pearl, Black/White, X/Y have all sold in the 15-18 million range on devices that range from 60 to 155 million. While all 3 remakes have sold 12-13 million.

Mario 64, Mario Galaxy, Mario 64 DS & Mario 3D Land have all sold about 11-13 million on devices that range from 33 to 155 million.

Animal Crossing on DS & 3DS have sold similar despite a 95 million hardware difference.

With the exception of the first entry on the original Gameboy, most Kirby games sell about 2 million give or take, same with Metroid & Mario Party.

Legend of Zelda, Ocarina of Time & Twilight Princess all sold about 7 million give or take on vastly different install bases.

Their games will need to sell alot better to make up for the loss of hardware sales, accessory sales & 3rd party royalties.



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