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Nah, I'd rather have good games.



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Einsam_Delphin said:
Nah, I'd rather have good games.

Why not both, man? xDDD



KLXVER said:

What...Metroid Prime Hunters? Metroid Prime Pinball? Two of the least liked Zelda games?

I think MK7 is way better than MKDS. Zelda ALBW way better than PH or ST. I dont know about Pokemon.

Games like Kid Icarus: Uprising, Super Mario 3D Land, Luigis Mansion 2 and Paper Mario: Sticker Star are pretty ambisious games for a Nintendo handheld.

I just think you are a bit blinded by nostalgia on this one.

Yeah I agree this gen as quality goes beats out the previous.



I don't think it's the games themselves, I think it's the way Nintendo presents them. Like you said, they're usually pretty good games, but Nintendo just has such a boring way of revealing them. They should show some really fun, flashy, exciting trailers during their directs instead of showing gameplay clips while a guy's voice drones on in the background about gameplay details.

My 2 cents.



Paperboy_J said:
I don't think it's the games themselves, I think it's the way Nintendo presents them. Like you said, they're usually pretty good games, but Nintendo just has such a boring way of revealing them. They should show some really fun, flashy, exciting trailers during their directs instead of showing gameplay clips while a guy's voice drones on in the background about gameplay details.

My 2 cents.

lol That is true. Its like we are investors and they are explaining the games to us.



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I agree. I really only care about Zelda on Nintendo platforms, but that already puts me in a position to play their other titles as I will always have their hardware for Legend of Zelda. So why not give people like me more options? Plus I want Nintendo to be successful because I want more Zelda games, so I want them to have a bigger library that appeals to more people as well.

I would like to see moving forward...

More Zelda games in the direction of BotW

A new Mario Adventure game (could be Galaxy 3 or like Mario 64)

I proper Metroid game

A GOOD Star Fox game, not a poor remake

A Donkey Kong game like Donkey Kong 64

New Xenoblade

Bayo 3

A Proper Mario RPG game

Earthbound return

And also some new IPs to expand upon.

Out of the big 3, Nintendo had the most IPs to work with. Even if it meant outsourcing to 3rd parties, if they took advantage of everything they had they could knock it out of the park (even without multiplats).

We don't need another console for PS4/X1 games, we need a console for Nintendo games. But we need one that takes full advantage of what Nintendo has to offer. They need to use their IPs to give themselves a library that can compete with the other two, but will only be available on Nintendo consoles.  And of course, they can even use third party devs to form New IPs exclusively for Nintendo.  We have seen Sony do it with Bloodborne, Nintendo can do it too.  This will make it more about what the NX can do and less about what the X1 and PS4 can do.  Nintendo just had to be willing to invest in it.

I have said it before, they don't need 3rd party support for ALL multiplats (more is always better though), they need 3rd party support to help them keep a solid flow of games though. That means carefully selecting what to outsource and what to do in house. We have good canon Zelda games made by Capcom, so we know it is possible.

This is what I feel they need to do with the NX.



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Vodacixi said:

Hmm... Sure, they made great games. However, even if we only look at Nintendo games, they tried much harder during the last gen, both in quantity and quality. Look at Zelda. Look at Metroid, look at Pokemon. Look at Mario/Mario Kart. 3DS games of those franchises can't keep up with the ones NDS hasdto offer.

What...Metroid Prime Hunters? Metroid Prime Pinball? Two of the least liked Zelda games?

I think MK7 is way better than MKDS. Zelda ALBW way better than PH or ST. I dont know about Pokemon.

Games like Kid Icarus: Uprising, Super Mario 3D Land, Luigis Mansion 2 and Paper Mario: Sticker Star are pretty ambisious games for a Nintendo handheld.

I just think you are a bit blinded by nostalgia on this one.

C'mon, Mario Kart 7 is... lame. Like... really lame. Poor course selection (with exceptions like Rainbow Road and two or three more), poor roster, poor soundtrack... pretty much everything of this game is forgettable. As for Zelda, I actually think that PH was a great game. Also, you'll agree with me that PH felt, as I'm trying to prove, more ambitious. Like, they were actually trying to make something new. ALBW, as good as it is (and it's awesome) it's just an upgraded ALttP with some changes here and there. Spirit Tracks was not very great due to the train mechanic, but, as PH, at least they tried more than with ALBW.

As for Metroid, Hunters was great for a system like NDS. That's a lot more than FF can say.

Paper Mario Sticker... what? Are you serious? That game is a joke compared to its predecessors. Super Mario 3D Land is very flat, not only compared to other 3D entries, but also with the 2D entries or its Wii U counterpart. As for the others... I think Prime Hunters, Mario Kart DS, Hotel Dusk, Pokémon B2/W2/HG/SS, the original NSMB, Super Mario 64 DS (and before you say that is a remake, it is... but for its time and for the console it was made its launch was some megaton shit) or Rhythm Paradise, just to name a few, easily surpass anything from Nintendo you throw at me.



Kai_Mao said:
Vodacixi said:

Hmm... Sure, they made great games. However, even if we only look at Nintendo games, they tried much harder during the last gen, both in quantity and quality. Look at Zelda. Look at Metroid, look at Pokemon. Look at Mario/Mario Kart. 3DS games of those franchises can't keep up with the ones NDS hasdto offer.

So you're saying ALBW, 3D Land, Mario Kart 7, and Pokemon XY/ORAS/SM are that much inferior to their DS counterparts? Then what about Kirby, FE, KI, AC, and Luigi's Mansion?

Edit: While I'll somewhat admit that there wasn't as much ambition this gen for Wii U, I'm not one to dismiss well executed games. And who says Sm4sh isn't that ambitious? Especially with 8-player Smash, new modes, and characters we thought and never expected to make it (possibly creating the greatest crossover roster in the history of video games). Splatoon, Xenoblade Chronicles X, and BoTW are the more ambitious games for Wii U, but there's no way anyone should put DKTF, Pikmin 3, 3D World, Woolly World, Captain Toad, MK8, TMS: #FE under low esteem.

I never said Wii U hadn't ambitous games, or great games at all. I'm the first one to say that Tropical Freeze and Bayonetta 2 are the best 2d platformer and action game of my life respectively. TMS #FE, Splatoon and Mario Kart 8 are great.

As for Smash... ehh. I just feel like they filled it with a lot of useless content. 8 player smash is somewhat niche because of the difficulty of gathering that much people. Also, even in bigger stages it's a complete mess. Smash Tour is the shittier thing Sakurai could had come up with. Really, I can't say anything good about that mode. As for the roster... no complaints. I have major (but like MAJOR) complaints about the soundtrack selection though. But I wont get into that, it would be too much off topic.



I can't agree on the 3DS front. It's also no surprise support--and ambition--for 3DS is winding down, because the system is at the end of its life, but I thought the Direct was good and the upcoming line-up is still strong. A new Pikmin title, a new IP, another new Pokemon generation are the highlights for me. Link Between Worlds is far better than Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks, Mario Kart 7 is one of the strongest entries in the series, we had a Smash Bros on 3DS, Awakening/Fates are superb, New Leaf is the best Animal Crossing and I think X/Y are stronger than any of the DS Pokemon games apart from Heart Gold/Soul Silver, which is a personal favourite for me. When you add accomplished, excellent titles like 3D Land, Luigi's Mansion 2 and Kid Icarus, you have first class titles that are ambitious for portable gaming. 3DS has a superb library of Nintendo games, with some weaker entries, as every Nintendo system does. It's not as if they struck gold with every DS title. I think there's some short term nostalgia going on here.

With Wii U, yes, there have been fewer ambitious titles and I agree they need to be more consistently ambitous with NX. Titles like Splatoon and Super Mario Maker are ambitious--not in a technical sense--but in a design sense, because they're unlike anything Nintendo have done before. And I don't think you can accuse Smash, Kart or Breath of the Wild of lacking ambition, nor a title like Xenoblade. But, and this is important, consider how badly Nintendo managed the transition to HD development and you have your first big reason for the lack of ambitious software: Nintendo were caught with their pants down. Then they had to throw more resources behind 3DS, which further delayed Wii U software, and then Wii U was a commercial failure, which meant with the exception of titles already in development and lower resource projects (like Splatoon or Mario Maker, which as I've said, were ambitious in some senses but not in terms of investment), there wasn't much sense in launching large scale, expensive projects that would take years to come to fruition.

Wii U is unprecedented territory for Nintendo, and so is this generation in general. That's why there's been a radical restructuring, and that's why whatever NX is, it will be different. Nintendo's business model for the last twenty years has fallen apart this generation. That pressure was always going to tell when it came to their software output, and Wii U is the most obvious and most necessary victim of that.



Paperboy_J said:
I don't think it's the games themselves, I think it's the way Nintendo presents them. Like you said, they're usually pretty good games, but Nintendo just has such a boring way of revealing them. They should show some really fun, flashy, exciting trailers during their directs instead of showing gameplay clips while a guy's voice drones on in the background about gameplay details.

My 2 cents.

Ahh, so more like Ubisoft and EA, where a trailer is souped up CG cutscenes that even PC versions won't be able to reach, with snappy and trendy guys talking about video games and how fun this one will be without showing a second of what the game actually is.

This video sums things up pretty good.



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