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Kerotan said:

I'll talk about whatever I want whether it affects me or not.  What a strange statement.  

 

Those wars may not be as bad but they're still the same thing.  Humans being humans. 

 

No different than iOS vs android wars and many others.  This thing ain't exclusive to gaming.  

 

Car manufacturers,  clothing brands,  sports team rivalries.  You gotta just accept this is part of life and move on.  

 

Personally I like the console wars.  It makes gaming forums interesting.  last gen was amazing on Vgchartz with the Nintendo,  Microsoft and Sony fans all very vocal.  

 

Now it's just Sony and Nintendo fans vocal on here.  Not as fun but there's still good levels of banter.  Long may it last.  And long may Playstation rule (because that's my platform so its in my interests). 

It still creates an off topic part for tiself which isn't a part of the main topic being talked about. The main objective is to stay on topic, not draw away from it and go "I'm happy having access to X and Y" and then continuing on from it when it was already done and dusted, it onto itself creates another can of pointless worms.

Those wars still aren't the same as you claim they are. They aren't 50/50 and never will be due to their nature and design, just like how every war isn't the same, you can call it all war but we can also call all life all living, that doesn't solve or compare to anything and just tries making everything appear the same to suit the idea when it's not.

I don't need to move on because I;ve known this long before you have.

You find them fun because you pick a side to go with and play off of it, history tells me this and history also tells me of the upcoming mirror argument to replace this line guranteed. 

Nothing lasts forever as you;ve said, it won't rule forever and the day will come and it will be good to see and end to it all. Long may the end be eternal.



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zorg1000 said:
GOWTLOZ said:
Nintendo isn't in the same position as Sony and Microsoft. When you buy a PlayStation and Xbox console, you know you'll get most of the big AAA games and many smaller games and indies. Nintendo consoles don't have the same catalog of games, and they miss most of the big third party games and many high quality indie games while the other two miss few of them.

So if you just have a Nintendo console you lack access to most games. The console is less worthy of money to the general audience because of this reason. Also their consoles have dated hardware, are overpriced and support for their consoles is withdrawn very quickly, even when they are successful like with Wii. Also, it makes more sense for them to go third party because their consoles don't sell well while PlayStation and Xbox consoles do.

The thing is that you and many others are ignoring 3DS which literally has hundreds of games that arent on other devices.

 

zorg1000 said:
daredevil.shark said:

It's not only me who doesn't like Nintendos software output; it's the market. 

Pokemon X/Y-14.98 million

Mario Kart 7-13.56 million

Thats six 10+ million sellers, twelve 5+ million sellers, twenty-four 2+ million sellers, fourty-two 1+ million sellers with more to pass those milestones.

Ya people dont like Nintendos output.........

Its not the games its the system and their lack of support. I was talking only about the consoles. I think he is trying to say the same thing, that its their hardware that doesn't sell.

That makes it an even better decision for them to go third party, as its their hardware that inhibits sales of their games and Pokemon Go kinda shows us that. People don't like weak and unsupported hardware even if the software is good. PlayStation and Xbox have plenty of good games from both first party and third party developers and have a hige selection of games in a variety of genres. So people buy these consoles, while Wii U has too many platformers, a decent number of hack and slash games and is lacking in every other genre.

Also why are Nintendo fans against this? You'll still get Nintendo games but you won't have to buy seperate hardware to play those games as well as third party games, and these systems have more power so you can have a better experience too. Its a win win for them yet I see Nintendo fans complaining about it.



CaptainExplosion said:
GOWTLOZ said:

 

Its not the games its the system and their lack of support. I was talking only about the consoles. I think he is trying to say the same thing, that its their hardware that doesn't sell.

That makes it an even better decision for them to go third party, as its their hardware that inhibits sales of their games and Pokemon Go kinda shows us that. People don't like weak and unsupported hardware even if the software is good. PlayStation and Xbox have plenty of good games from both first party and third party developers and have a hige selection of games in a variety of genres. So people buy these consoles, while Wii U has too many platformers, a decent number of hack and slash games and is lacking in every other genre.

Also why are Nintendo fans against this? You'll still get Nintendo games but you won't have to buy seperate hardware to play those games as well as third party games, and these systems have more power so you can have a better experience too. Its a win win for them yet I see Nintendo fans complaining about it.

1. Bad example. Free to play game that only makes money off microtransactions.

2. Because it would mean Nintendo would have to bow down to the influences of third party hardware manufacturers.

You really want future Nintendo games to look like this?

 

Because this would happen if Nintendo went third party. They'd end up overly realistic just to try and stay relavent.

And not to mention the fact that, if Nintendo went third party, they'd be showing a sign of weakness, which investors have already seen too many of. You honestly want Nintendo to be viewed as weak?

You have no way of knowing if that is what would happen. No 3rd party manufacturer would want that because that would defeat the purpose of having Ninty games on their system in the first place this idea that non Ninty systems are filled with nothing but grit is quite frankly plain ignorant. Plenty of games on PS4, One and PC that arent gritty.

Nintendo is seen as weak right now, its been like that for years.



CaptainExplosion said:
GOWTLOZ said:

 

Its not the games its the system and their lack of support. I was talking only about the consoles. I think he is trying to say the same thing, that its their hardware that doesn't sell.

That makes it an even better decision for them to go third party, as its their hardware that inhibits sales of their games and Pokemon Go kinda shows us that. People don't like weak and unsupported hardware even if the software is good. PlayStation and Xbox have plenty of good games from both first party and third party developers and have a hige selection of games in a variety of genres. So people buy these consoles, while Wii U has too many platformers, a decent number of hack and slash games and is lacking in every other genre.

Also why are Nintendo fans against this? You'll still get Nintendo games but you won't have to buy seperate hardware to play those games as well as third party games, and these systems have more power so you can have a better experience too. Its a win win for them yet I see Nintendo fans complaining about it.

1. Bad example. Free to play game that only makes money off microtransactions.

2. Because it would mean Nintendo would have to bow down to the influences of third party hardware manufacturers.

You really want future Nintendo games to look like this?

Because this would happen if Nintendo went third party. They'd end up overly realistic just to try and stay relavent.

And not to mention the fact that, if Nintendo went third party, they'd be showing a sign of weakness, which investors have already seen too many of. You honestly want Nintendo to be viewed as weak?

Who is to say that there is a convention on how third party game look like? If what you said was true we wouldn't have Skylanders, Borderlands, DBZ games by third parties. Third parties don't have their games influenced by hardware maunfacturers and even if they did who says these manufacturers don't have cute looking games? Ratchet and Clank, Jak and Daxter, LittleBigPlanet, these farnchises don't need photorealistic graphics to stay relevant and neither does Nintendo, their games would have more potential to sell.

If what you said was true their stocks would have gone down after Pokemon Go's release not went up. Investors want profits on investments and Nintendo would be in a better position to make profits by having a larger install base to sell games to and not make losses on hardware.



GOWTLOZ said:

Also why are Nintendo fans against this? You'll still get Nintendo games but you won't have to buy seperate hardware to play those games as well as third party games, and these systems have more power so you can have a better experience too. Its a win win for them yet I see Nintendo fans complaining about it.

I'll try to explain my reasons:

1) Nintendo moving to a third party multi-platform publisher isn't necessarily a straight-forward path to immediate success. It is an immensely risky move. Nintendo have far healthier finances than either Sega or Atari did when they went third party, but look at how they've become niche players in the industry since they transitioned away from hardware production. Sega were once Nintendo's biggest rival, commercially and critically, yet they are now a pale imitation of their former selves. Even a run of critically acclaimed games once they immediately went first party (Super Monkey Ball, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future, Shenmue 2) wasn't enough to give them a strong position in the multi-format publishing market. 2016 is certainly Nintendo's weakest year in gaming (business wise), but they still have a hardware base of more than 70 million to sell their software into, and as someone else has pointed out, they've still published dozens of million selling titles, and a decent number of seriously successful titles that have sold 5-15 million copies. 3DS demonstrates there is still a market for Nintendo hardware, and that Nintendo software can still sell the right kind of hardware. Even with its limitations and serious challenges from smartphones, 3DS has done reasonably well. Note that the pattern of Nintendo hardware since they launched portable systems has been that the less complex, more affordable Nintendo systems have consistently done better than the more complex and expensive Nintendo systems. 

2)  If Nintendo move into multi-platform publishing, there are serious logistical and developmental hurdles. Nintendo have struggled to regularly release major software on Wii U, yet you think transitioning into releasing for two (or three if they include PC) systems that are more complex is a recipe for success? Nintendo would have to use more development manpower, money and time to release fewer games across the new systems, and they'd also be in competition with the biggest publishers in the industry, who have far more experience at turning out regular commercial hits on Xbox/PS. On top of releasing fewer, more expensive games, Nintendo would also receive less money per unit of software, because instead of receiving all royalties for their own software (plus royalties from third parties), Nintendo would receive whatever cut was left once Sony/MS had taken their share of the royalties. Nintendo would have to massively multiply their sales figures for many of their franchises, or simply have to cut out those franchises and concentrate on a handful (Mario, Pokemon, Zelda) of properties. You would, in all probability, end up with less Nintendo software, less often, as has happened with Sega.

3) Against this, we have the potential of the NX, which is said to offer more Nintendo software, more often. If that is combined with an affordable hybrid system which has a mixture of indie, Japanese and Western support from franchises like Disney, Skylanders, Lego, then that it what I would prefer. I don't just play the biggest Nintendo series, I enjoy their middle tier and niche offerings too. I have a gaming laptop and an Xbox One, which covers most (almost all) other bases I need. NX has the potential to be an alternative system, and I think the market needs that. Gaming hardware doesn't need to adhere to having exactly the same standards and library, and it baffles me that people want that. Why not have more diversity in the systems and software on offer? Nintendo don't operate the way Microsoft and Sony do. They don't need to sell you an operating system or control your living room entertainment, they simply need to sell enough games to turn a profit. NX and mobile represents their best bet of generating revenue streams in the multiple billions, and profits in excess of $500 million. They're a conservative, Kyoto based company, less interested in short-term trends and dominance than they are long-term viability.

 

I think NX is an immensely risky play, and far from guaranteed from succeeding, but I think it's the direction Nintendo need to head in. Ever since they launched the SNES, an increasing proportion of their sales and customers have come from the portable market. If they can retain that 50-70 million base in the short term, and expand through mobile in the long term, that's the future of Nintendo I'd like to see.  An independent platform holder, capable of providing a genuine alternative to the other platform holders. Not an easy ask, by any means, but Nintendo have been in many a tight spot before.



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In a ideal world you would want just one platform, but then again it is nice to see all these different ideas.



Asriel said:
GOWTLOZ said:

Also why are Nintendo fans against this? You'll still get Nintendo games but you won't have to buy seperate hardware to play those games as well as third party games, and these systems have more power so you can have a better experience too. Its a win win for them yet I see Nintendo fans complaining about it.

I'll try to explain my reasons:

1) Nintendo moving to a third party multi-platform publisher isn't necessarily a straight-forward path to immediate success. It is an immensely risky move. Nintendo have far healthier finances than either Sega or Atari did when they went third party, but look at how they've become niche players in the industry since they transitioned away from hardware production. Sega were once Nintendo's biggest rival, commercially and critically, yet they are now a pale imitation of their former selves. Even a run of critically acclaimed games once they immediately went first party (Super Monkey Ball, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Jet Set Radio Future, Shenmue 2) wasn't enough to give them a strong position in the multi-format publishing market. 2016 is certainly Nintendo's weakest year in gaming (business wise), but they still have a hardware base of more than 70 million to sell their software into, and as someone else has pointed out, they've still published dozens of million selling titles, and a decent number of seriously successful titles that have sold 5-15 million copies. 3DS demonstrates there is still a market for Nintendo hardware, and that Nintendo software can still sell the right kind of hardware. Even with its limitations and serious challenges from smartphones, 3DS has done reasonably well. Note that the pattern of Nintendo hardware since they launched portable systems has been that the less complex, more affordable Nintendo systems have consistently done better than the more complex and expensive Nintendo systems. 

2)  If Nintendo move into multi-platform publishing, there are serious logistical and developmental hurdles. Nintendo have struggled to regularly release major software on Wii U, yet you think transitioning into releasing for two (or three if they include PC) systems that are more complex is a recipe for success? Nintendo would have to use more development manpower, money and time to release fewer games across the new systems, and they'd also be in competition with the biggest publishers in the industry, who have far more experience at turning out regular commercial hits on Xbox/PS. On top of releasing fewer, more expensive games, Nintendo would also receive less money per unit of software, because instead of receiving all royalties for their own software (plus royalties from third parties), Nintendo would receive whatever cut was left once Sony/MS had taken their share of the royalties. Nintendo would have to massively multiply their sales figures for many of their franchises, or simply have to cut out those franchises and concentrate on a handful (Mario, Pokemon, Zelda) of properties. You would, in all probability, end up with less Nintendo software, less often, as has happened with Sega.

3) Against this, we have the potential of the NX, which is said to offer more Nintendo software, more often. If that is combined with an affordable hybrid system which has a mixture of indie, Japanese and Western support from franchises like Disney, Skylanders, Lego, then that it what I would prefer. I don't just play the biggest Nintendo series, I enjoy their middle tier and niche offerings too. I have a gaming laptop and an Xbox One, which covers most (almost all) other bases I need. NX has the potential to be an alternative system, and I think the market needs that. Gaming hardware doesn't need to adhere to having exactly the same standards and library, and it baffles me that people want that. Why not have more diversity in the systems and software on offer? Nintendo don't operate the way Microsoft and Sony do. They don't need to sell you an operating system or control your living room entertainment, they simply need to sell enough games to turn a profit. NX and mobile represents their best bet of generating revenue streams in the multiple billions, and profits in excess of $500 million. They're a conservative, Kyoto based company, less interested in short-term trends and dominance than they are long-term viability.

 

I think NX is an immensely risky play, and far from guaranteed from succeeding, but I think it's the direction Nintendo need to head in. Ever since they launched the SNES, an increasing proportion of their sales and customers have come from the portable market. If they can retain that 50-70 million base in the short term, and expand through mobile in the long term, that's the future of Nintendo I'd like to see.  An independent platform holder, capable of providing a genuine alternative to the other platform holders. Not an easy ask, by any means, but Nintendo have been in many a tight spot before.

Come on, Sega hasn't even made an effort in 3RD party, to busy making pachinko machines and arcades. Tell me if i'm wrong, haven't given me a memory in years.



Chazore said:
Kerotan said:

I'll talk about whatever I want whether it affects me or not.  What a strange statement.  

 

Those wars may not be as bad but they're still the same thing.  Humans being humans. 

 

No different than iOS vs android wars and many others.  This thing ain't exclusive to gaming.  

 

Car manufacturers,  clothing brands,  sports team rivalries.  You gotta just accept this is part of life and move on.  

 

Personally I like the console wars.  It makes gaming forums interesting.  last gen was amazing on Vgchartz with the Nintendo,  Microsoft and Sony fans all very vocal.  

 

Now it's just Sony and Nintendo fans vocal on here.  Not as fun but there's still good levels of banter.  Long may it last.  And long may Playstation rule (because that's my platform so its in my interests). 

It still creates an off topic part for tiself which isn't a part of the main topic being talked about. The main objective is to stay on topic, not draw away from it and go "I'm happy having access to X and Y" and then continuing on from it when it was already done and dusted, it onto itself creates another can of pointless worms.

Those wars still aren't the same as you claim they are. They aren't 50/50 and never will be due to their nature and design, just like how every war isn't the same, you can call it all war but we can also call all life all living, that doesn't solve or compare to anything and just tries making everything appear the same to suit the idea when it's not.

I don't need to move on because I;ve known this long before you have.

You find them fun because you pick a side to go with and play off of it, history tells me this and history also tells me of the upcoming mirror argument to replace this line guranteed. 

Nothing lasts forever as you;ve said, it won't rule forever and the day will come and it will be good to see and end to it all. Long may the end be eternal.

Long may it last.  The Playstation 1,2,3,4 have all been good to me.  I don't want that to change just because some people are put off by fan rivalry.  

 

Ps4 + pc combo ftw.  

 



Chazore said:
Azuren said:

Well, most PC gamers don't, so i feel this was a given. 

Not entirely. Some like seeing their hardware being put to good use rather than paying for a good setup and never having any of it's power used, I can agree with those people for that condition because it doesn't involve corp money reasons as it's bound by hardware from multiple users and not some one spec list sent off the the factory to be churned out.

I look at Star Citizen as an example, it's excxlusive not because a corp said so but because those that pledged to the dev team wanted it to go high end rather than being stuck to a console's limitations. There are defintiely people out there who want something to use what power they pay for and I honestly cannot argue with that. I can when it comes to "just for the sake of moving you into a brand and making money off of you" though.

So you think there should be exclusives, just only on PC since it can be stronger through customization? 

 

Yeah, so that's actually a fairly normal thing for PC Gamers to say, so my previous statement stands 



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Azuren said:

So you think there should be exclusives, just only on PC since it can be stronger through customization? 

 

Yeah, so that's actually a fairly normal thing for PC Gamers to say, so my previous statement stands 

Of course it would be something bad for you to try pinning it as because you don't want to udnerstand it that way. I should know better considering you taking jabs all the time at Zero with the "anti-consumer" comment each time or anyone else who games on a PC that makes any comment similar to anything he could say. 



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